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Are songs poems?

I love poetry, I also love music and I think many songs can be classed as poems, e.g. Iris by the Goo Goo dolls.
Sewn by The Feeling
Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds by The Beatles
No Woman No Cry Bob Marley
One in Ten by UB40
What a Wonderful World by Louis Armstrong

What do you think?
Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:44 pm
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I agree, songs can sometimes be classed as poems, now my band have split I'm actually performing the lyrics in poem format, or at least as of Wednesday, I will!
Other examples of songs which work well as poems include:
Guy Fawkes Table by Attila (ok, he's a poet anyway, but thats one of his songs)
Soldier by the Angelic Upstarts (well worth checking out)
Lost in the Supermarket by The Clash

Oh, and Saturday Job by The Dole Dossers (ok...maybe not!!)
Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:54 pm
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Aw honey, sorry to hear your band have split!
OOPs forgot to mention All I want is You by U2
Should really mention some ladies maybe sweet dreams by The Eurythmics Though I like Marilyn Manson's version much better.
Sorry by Tracy Chapman
I will Always Love You by Dolly Parton

Glad someone agrees with me - though I'm not sure I want to talk to you cos you haven't helped me out with my poem. boo hoo :-( x
Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:05 pm
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I was going to, but then I read the bit about Jarvis Cocker and lost my lunch! lol!
I think most people will agree with you (about the song thing anyway) and as I've said before the only reason why I perform as much as I do is because I can't sing so doing poetry instead seemed like an obvious transition to make!
Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:16 pm
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I am reaching for my giant cotton bud Cayn, do not diss the Cocker - I think David Tennant is Gorgeous and can understand all the girlies fallin for him but Jarvis created his style and of course speaking of the Cocker Common People - Political poem?
I grew up in a bookless house and I couldn't read till I was twelve so I guess songs have always ben my poems.
I can't sing either - I would love too - I'd love to be a Diva like Dolly or Aretha.
Mind I've always wanted to ba song writer also I want to write a song that can compete with Meatloaf's Bat Out Of Hell, which I think is a classic - think that is more of a story than a poem though.
Two out Three aint bad would count as a poem maybe - bit like my poem A Negative Response but what would you know as you haven't read it!
I have seen you mention The Stranglers before what do you reckon their best song is?
I love No More Heroes and Strange Little Girl.

Shoot this has become musical appreciation, I'll be here all night - Anyway why are you in on a Friday night young man?

Should you not be out partying and spreading your seed far and wide?

Sorry far too personal - ignore me I'm nosy like that and cheeky too.
xx
Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:33 pm
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I do like The Stranglers although my big brother is the bigger fan (and the biggest fan I know!)
My best songs by them vary, I quite like the early stuff such as No More Heroes, Down in the Sewer, Tank, School Mam ect. But I'm partial to later stuff such as Thrown Away, The Man They Loved to Hate, Who Wants the World, and even newer stuff like Relentless, Coup do Grace, Tonight, I Hate You, ect.
The list is endless! My main passion though is Stiff Little Fingers I can't name a bad song by them and I've all there stuff!
I'm staying in tonight as I'm going to a punk all dayer tomorrow so I shall be wowing the people of Leeds with my stunning good looks and youthfulness!
Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:42 pm
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And your poetic poise - no doubt! I like Who Want's The World.
I don't know Stiff Little Fingers - sounds painful, I'll ask the kids about them when they get back - no doubt they'll enlighten me.
I'm ashamed to say it was my big sister who was the Stranglers fan, she was a punk back in the eighties into The Sex Pistols and The Exploited - I'm afraid I was a real girl I was into Bon Jovi - always had a thing about guys with long hair or geeks which probably explains - oh shit I nearly said Harry Potter - pray that's because I'm reading the book before the police come to take me away - I meant Jarvis Cocker your honour.

xxx
Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:49 pm
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Nope I'm not performing tomorrow I'm having a well earned break!
The first time I saw The Exploited I spent a night in a police cell covered in blood, the second time I saw them, I almost fell asleep while watching them, I wasn't a happy bunny!
Oo-er you nearly shot yourself in the foot with the Harry Potter comment there lol!
Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:54 pm
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As for Stiff Little Fingers, you shall be educated!!
Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:54 pm
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Are they a punk band? Recent - name some somgs I might have heard.
Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:55 pm
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They're an Irish punk band from the 70's most famous for...
Wasted Life At The Edge, Suspect Device, Noboddies Heroes, Tin Soldier, Listen ect
Very rarely got into the charts, but then again neither did the Exploited!
Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:58 pm
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Babe,
Are you a very old 21 yr old or where the Exploited very old men when you watched them as they were in their thirties when I was young back when dinosaurs roamed free. (More commonly known as old folk)
Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:58 pm
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Haha! The Exploited, or at least Wattie, are getting old! although he's in his 40's now I believe, I don't think some people on here would appreciate me calling that old!
Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:05 pm
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No I'm sure they wouldn't me being one of them as I'm only nine years off forty myself! he must have taken lots of drugs in his teens! Or maybe I was head banging to him when I was five, hmm.
Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:10 pm
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Its the drugs I think lol! Was a fan of the Exploiteds music, lyrically I had some disagreements!
Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:13 pm
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You know what I can't remember a single song - but I remember my sister had the coolest pink vynil record by them and it had a black Sleeve and Wattie had orange hair and a ring in his nose - now you know where my obsession with cotton buds comes from.lol
Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:20 pm
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<Deleted User>

night sweetness, nice chatting to you - enjoy tomorrow.
xxx
Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:22 pm
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Marilyn Manson and Slipknot and Queens of the Stone Age and the Klaxons and the Chemical Brothers and Aphex Twin thank you. And System of a Down.
Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:21 am
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Slipknot, oo-er are they still going?!
Sat, 28 Jul 2007 06:56 am
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They've branched out into Lemon Sour Soil Sword -- do you watch Kerrang?. The Hives are fun.
Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:59 am
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Yes, System of a Down's earlier stuff has more power...
and Bartok,Berg, Schoenberg and Einsturzende Neubauten have terrific riffs.
Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:38 am
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No. They're their own art form, and are really part of the music. It's a bit like comparing painting to opera. I don't see the point in seeing song lyrics - designed to fit into music - as poetry.

Sometimes you can set poems to music, though it's usually the ones with the simpler rhythms. But a song lyric is really meant to be part of the music, as integral as the chords or the bridge.
Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:03 am
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Bob Dylan.
Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:30 am
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Leonard Cohen.
Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:31 am
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Ballads.
Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:39 am
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Even though they are set to a specific tune, a lot of song lyrics can easier be converted into poems, all your doing is reading the thing out aloud.
I always thought Tough Shit Mickey by Conflict would make a decent poem but maybe thats because its not riddled with choruses!
Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:46 am
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Cohen writes poems as well as songs, but his songs are always lacking something without the music.

Ditto with Dylan. In fact, he's explicitly denied that he was a poet on more than one occassion. He calls himself a "song and dance man."

Ballads are similarly designed to be sung. They may work without music, but they're more powerful with.

I won't deny that some songs work without music; but they work even better with. Nor am I denying the power of song to move strong emotions or put across ideas. My favourite songwriter is Elvis Costello. A song without music is still rather bare, however, because at least half of its impact comes from the music.

I suspect we poets especially like to think of poetry as the highest art form, therefore the lyrics we like must be poetry too. But I don't see why they have to be: music is a poweful art form in itself, more than capable of stirring great emotion with or without lyrics. Smokey Robinson is as great a musician as Dylan, IMHO.

I heard a jazz setting of a Rupert Brooke poem, sung by Norma Winstone, recently.

Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:00 am
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Hmm..What about a poem set to music (Jerusalem springs to mind) is that no longer a poem?

Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:01 am
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"Even though they are set to a specific tune, a lot of song lyrics can easier be converted into poems, all your doing is reading the thing out aloud."

If all you need to do to turn something into a poem is to read it aloud, you might as well read the phone book aloud and call it poetry.

Poems contain their own music, their own rhythms, their own harmonies and dissonances and rhymes. You can take them away and read them.

Songs have their own integrity. They don't need to be called poems to make them special.
Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:06 am
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To A Daftie -

A poem set to music is a poem set to music. Personally, I suspect Blake would be turning in his grave at the way they turned his poem into a piece of jingoistic last-night-of-the-Proms nonsense.
Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:09 am
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But a poem set to music isn't just that is it? As you yourself comment the song "Jerusalem" has become separate from the poem with a meaning quite other and as you rightly say contrary to Blake's intent.
Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:19 am
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I'd say Jerusalem is poetry when said and sung.

So is a song without its words still music?

Your argument, Steve, is one of retrospect. You have read the lyrics -- poems -- after hearing them as part of a song.

The brain would be missing the emotional context generated by the music.
It is a learned omission rather than an actual lack.

Now I'm off to write a libretto.
Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:23 am
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Who said songs were 'special?' Who can say what Blake would feel? Can a powerful poem be rendered nonsense? Yes, but only on a personal level by the way you interpret the context -- by the way you feel the context is antithetical to the spirit of the words. To say it as a statement of fact is simply magnifying personal belief into commonality -- a stepping stone to jingoism.

It sounds as though we have created a difference engine here.

Adios.
Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:32 am
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Songs are special to whoever finds them special, Moxy; just like poems, works of art, buildings, cuddly toys...

Lyrics written specifically for music very seldom stand up on their own - if they were poems, I'd be getting out the red pen and crossing out the words that fit the music but don't have any other purpose, the cliches that sound good in a song* but terrible anywhere else, the obvious or too-clever rhymes - most lyrics are bad poetry. That doesn't mean they're bad songs, however.

As for libretti, I'm told most of them are rubbish if you read them without the music. (I'm pretty sure, by the way, that the republican, pacifist, religiously heterodox Blake, would hate the way Jerusalem gets sung in Anglican churches and as a form of jingoism.

* Actually, if you set some performance poems to music they might make better songs!
Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:22 pm
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Hey Moxy
I think you are missing the point. It isn't the context of Jerusalem that changes it's meaning but the interpretation. Jerusalem became an anthem for the Aristocracy because they could interpret it as a longing for an earlier, pre-industrial age which they could identify with for obvious reasons.

You are right, of course I cannot know what Mr Blake would think if he was alive today, perhaps he'd be as pleased as punch that the establishment are singing his words along with such great literary works as "Land of Hope and Glory", but somehow, given his anti-authoritarianism when he was alive, I think not.
Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:05 pm
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Sonnet - translates into 'little song.' also it's worth bearing in mind that poems were set to music in their original form!
I think it is wrong to say that most songs are bad poems - you can't say every poem written is good and is a piece of art, that is exactly the same with songs
Iris by The Goo Goo dolls for example is a more beautiful poem than some of the more learned poets have ever managed and stands up with or without music.
I would say that a songwriter who is just trying to fit the words to the music is severely lacking in both skill and vision and I would say the same of a poet who was just setting the words to fit with his rhyme scheme.
I agree that music is an art form in it's own right but I think your argument is one of the reasons lots of people sigh and shake their head when asked about poetry as they think it is something that is very difficult to do, has to be written down and in a particular way and is written by a particular group of people.
When actually poetry is all around them often set under different labels!


Well debated guys.
xxx
Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:09 pm
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Hello Folks,
Context is part and parcel of interpretation, surely? A context is implicit in interpretation. A context is employed in interpretation, shirley?A context is an interpretation, simply? A context is a given of interpretation.To contextualize is to provide an intepretation. Now, say it again with feeling.

Cuddly toys? Hell's bells.

Good article in the New Scientist (9th June 2007) that explain why these 'outbursts' of opinion keep arising. The article's called THE SECRET POWER OF THINGS WE HOLD DEAR. I suppose a poem/song is an 'object.'

We are all different. Some of us are happy to see poetry -- as Maggie says -- everywhere. Some of us like rigid parameters. None of us are entirely right, and none of us are entirely wrong because all of us are right only if we remain within our own definitions.

We have spent enough time wriggling on the floor of sophistry.

Let us stand and enjoy what we enjoy, and have the good nature to let those who differ enjoy their difference.

Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:35 pm
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Very well said Moxy - I am humbled in your wisdom.

much love and laughter to all our happy campers.

xxxxx
Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:56 pm
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Is context always part of the interpretation? Moxy wrote earlier of the way you "interpret the context" in that case do you need a context to interpret the context in? Of course there is always the de facto context of the context in which one reads or experiences the poem so in this way a context must be part of the subjective interpretation although it could be argued that it can be simultaneously out with the interpretation if the interpreter is aware of the context and can thus attempt to nullify it objectively. Further, we often have no idea of the context in which a poem is written or indeed of who the poem is written by and in such cases the interpretation can only ever be made out-of-context or only with the vaguest of guesses as to the context based upon an interpretation of the wider context of society at an approximation of the time the poem was written.

And you wonder why they call me a daftie

Tue, 31 Jul 2007 02:41 pm
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<Deleted User> (7790)

After the trepanning insert the lemon squeezer and rotate over the weekend it will turn you into a hammered dulcimer with a capricious note.
Sorry ... I was somewhere else for a moment.
Contexts are multifarious: they are the intentional positioning of a poem/object/lyric/cuddly toy (at the Albert Hall, Last Night of the Proms); they are the (emotional/intellectual) previous experiences of said object/poem/lyric/cuddly toy: they are the historical, emotional, psychological contexts of both writer and reader and musician (hooray Deconstructionism). All contexts are points of interpretation. You can then further the interpretation with your own contexts. These contexts then have their own set of interpretations. At some point the mind fixates on the one that closest represents your current emotional/intellectual landscape.

Nothing is offered in a neutral, base state. No poem/lyric is ever read/heard/recited/sung by someone in an emotionally (intellectually) blank state, a state that is then given an emotion (intellectual clause) by that poem/lyric. An existing state is altered by the context/pretext/interpretation of the poem/lyric/cuddly toy that impinges on it.

A context can be interpreted. An interpretation can be given a context. An interpretation can be a context and vice versa. A context is often a given a fait accomplice.

As Shakespeare said: nothing is but people make it so.

So?
Tue, 31 Jul 2007 03:12 pm
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Well cleared up Moxy!
Tue, 31 Jul 2007 05:22 pm
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Come back Baudrillard all is forgiven...

"Text without context is pretext" as someone once wrote.

Or

txt w/out c/txt s pr/txt

as it says in teenspeak
Wed, 1 Aug 2007 10:44 am
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You don't love me. (like you used to do.)
My Chemical Romance
Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:38 am
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I've never even met you.
Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:43 am
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Are songs poems or are poems songs
There are rights and there are no wrongs
Poems take on a rhythm of there own
Music to many been applied, others thrown

I'll leave this rhyme and reason on that note
Put on dark glasses and dark brown overcoat
Try my hand at poetry that could turn to Rap
Let up all hope that it turns out very nicly
Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:07 pm
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That's no excuse Steven!lol.

xxxx
Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:45 pm
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<Deleted User> (7790)

No excuses -- Steve and Maggie must meet up, chaperoned by Phil in his dark glasses. Phil will then write a song lyric and a poem to commemorate the event.
Pretext? Isn't that when you're waiting for your sim card to reboot?
Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:28 pm
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Ooh I say - a blind date! Maybe Steven better be the one wearing the dark glasses then I might have a chance at a second date.lol

Thanks for intervening Cilla - I mean Moxy.

xxxx
Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:33 pm
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<Deleted User> (7790)

Cilla? I'm more your Jerry Springer!
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:17 am
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Thank you very much Moxy
For your vote by proxy
To write lines in need of note
Whilst sat in dark brown overcoat

Intelligence has it you are a ringer
Fot chat show host Jerry Springer
Sign me to write for Magie and Steve?
Me thinks its a plot you weave
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:47 am
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<Deleted User> (7790)

Your hunch is correct, your 6th Sense shines! You've guessed my ulterior motive. I want Steve Waling and Maggie Lane The Opera and, Phil Golding, sir, you are the only one who could do it justice!
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:59 am
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ooh I love Opera, can we call it Waling Lane not quite as snazzy as Madame Butterfly, but it does sound quite haunting maybe we could give the Phantom a run for it's money.

xxxx
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:11 pm
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Waling Lane is a gorgeous title -- faintly Dickensian (and Liverpudlian -- Penny Lane and Great Fire of London, too, Pudding Lane and nostalgic, Memory Lane,), and there was an Arthur Waling who translated many wonderful poems from the Chinese (and the I Ching, too, I think) -- so a smattering of delicate orientalism there as well. My idea is that Mr Waling would state the case for the extrication of poetry from the implication of opera, and Ms Lane would state the case for anything being poetry if it moves the heart, mind, spirit. Mr Golding would preside. I would stand in the streets and hand out flyers.
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:38 pm
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What do you mean, not as sleazy as Madame Butterfly? What's wrong with sleazy?

Anyway, it shouldn't be an Opera, it should be a Musical. Lyrics by Cole Porter, Jerome Kern, Ira Gershwin, Johnny Mercer...

Never mind dumb Yankee emo-bands, I want some proper songs...
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:41 pm
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Don't you mean Arthur Waley, Moxy?
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:42 pm
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<Deleted User>

Or do you mean Arthur Wavy and his wonderful wavy gravy? Or is it Arthur Daley - I don't mind.
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:58 pm
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<Deleted User> (7790)

You would go and spoil it -- what's wrong with a spot of poetic licence/name fudgery -- I was trying to incorporate references and could find nothing (beyond your inestimable self which, okay, should have been sufficient). Dang it all. I am therefore inventing an Arthur Dent-Waling and he translated a lot of Vogon poetry and the Vogon book of prediction, the U Turn. Will that do?
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:59 pm
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Okay, Arthur Daley Dent Waverly, train spotter, Vogon dotter, Welsh hat merchant, gravity gravy measurer. Spoon bender to King Arthur Pendragon, Arthur Pendragon Waling Waverly Gravy Dent designer of dents in all sheet metal objects and translator of E numbers into serious illnesses. Will that do? Blimey.
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:03 pm
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All I want is a name for the opera that scoops out the reference area in peoples' brains and dollops it into the waiting crispy cone of PR.
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:04 pm
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Actually I did the I Ching this morning and was warned this might happen by my faux fennel sticks.
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:06 pm
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Hang on? emo in Jerry Springer the Opera? Where? I saw no emo.I heard iro. No Japanese Fruits either. Plenty Yankee emo in Gershwins, Cole Porter et al. No I insist on opera. I want leads who don't look like what they sound like. I want disparity. I want grand gestures not goth-grained-moods. I have already designed the costumes.
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:19 pm
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My rhyming dictionary is smoking
All these fumes are definitely choking
I see Maggie calls you Cilla
For planning this romantic thriller

To do this commission justice
I'll drop a line to Tim Rice
Enrol myself in song writing classes
Trying to focus through dark glasses
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:28 pm
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As long as it's not Wagnerian, or I might go out and invade Poland.

Shall I bring the soap?
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:50 pm
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<Deleted User>

Depends what it's for? I said Madame Butterfly was snazzy not sleazy!
And what's wrong with emo's? Freedom to be different I say so Steven if you want to wash out my mouth leave the soap at home but honey, if you want to make up for your gaff - I'll be waiting for you in the bath.

xxx
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:13 pm
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<Deleted User> (7790)

Invade Poland with soap? Drop it into the rivers and reservoirs and hope for a good froth? Send in the Bubble Artillery? And poor Maggie left in the bath humming a selection from Madame Butterfly whilst you do your own version of the Ride of the Valkeries with a couple of cakes of Valhalla-For-Men fragranced soap strapped to your shoes like inline skates. Whatever next?
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:19 pm
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<Deleted User> (7790)

Greetings Mr Golding!

The things that are liable
when poets go triable
They ain't necessarily soul.

Have faith, Mr Golding, you can do this without recourse to a song writing course or advice from a Rice.

Killa Klack




Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:52 pm
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I heed your advice re songwriter Tim Rice
Any mad reference was over in a trice
Words pour forth from this my soul
For M & S, Mr K lets rock and roll


Cheers
Phil
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:30 pm
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Nothing's wrong with emo's apart from their terrible choice of music (kind of like a BigMac version of Goth.)

Stephen Sondheim - now there's a man who can write a lyric, he even wrote a song entirely in hiaku for Pacific Overtures.
Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:25 am
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You are very proscriptive, Mr Waling. Ever tried posting an entry on Wikipedia? Maybe we should bring the NPOV rules into WOL postings?
Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:35 am
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Are emo's the ones who go, "we don't comform, but all happen to wear black" I can never really keep track.
The emo kids I knew relied on self harm just to "proove a point" how very silly.
Sorry am I been negative and ill-informed here?
Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:05 am
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Emo's do where black and can self harm

My eldest is one. Hard work, but the real person is inside that still has the needs of every teenager.

cheers

Phil
Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:52 am
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Cayn,
As a punk - I would expect less judgement from you!

The name Emo - comes from the word Emotion and basically these kids are saying they FEEL their EMOTIONS just as every one else does!

Kids are often generalised as typical YOUTH, there is no such thing, they find ways of standing out, of being individuals and at the same time finding a way to belong!

Yes some Emo's wear black and self harm, just the same as some Punks have pink spiky hair and spit in old ladies faces!

My point is there is good and bad in every group, every generation - let's face it guys people used to say and possibly still do that poets are poncey puffs.

My youngest daughter is an Emo, she very rarely wears black, never self harms or harms other people, she simply believes that she has a right to her views, her tastes and her emotions and I am very proud of her!

xxxx
Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:13 pm
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And Steven I want a divorce!
Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:14 pm
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It wasn't my intention to tar them all with the same brush, I was just asking to make sure I got the right genre, and secondly, the ones I've met seem to be self pitying wrecks, I'm not saying all of them are, that would be like saying all Skins are racists or all punks are smack addicts. I'm just saying that seems to be the generalisation
Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:22 pm
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Translated in English,
Sorry, it was low class of me to sterotype and yes I should know better.
Representations not Reality
Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:35 pm
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Apolgy accpted,

On the Emo point we have become both pupil and teacher. We have raised the barrier and leave richer.

Words are a power to change. Poetry is a most potent force.
it makes you cry, laugh, happy and sad. Social Commentary . My discussion point.


Words in our poetry become pictures in your minds.
(there is a good title/line mmm)


Cheers
Phil
Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:58 pm
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that should read

Apology accepted

dodgy typist
Wed, 15 Aug 2007 01:03 pm
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I guess we all identify with something that we think defines us, or helps us to identify who we think we are. We are on WOL because we feel that we are 'poets.' It's a value we assign to ourselves. We only know who we are by reference to other people: by the way they respond to us. If being an 'emo' means that people respond to us in a way that we feel appropriate, then being an 'emo' is right for us. The same with being a 'punk.' They're all human states. They all have value. They are necessary points on which to try out strategies, experiment with character traits, and endeavor to maintain a personality that gets us where we want to be. But we are all fluid and mutable, too. Under different circumstances, what we are -- who we thought we were -- would shift. The fact that we can assume so many different guises is, in my opinion, a point of celebration. The individuality of someone can still shine through an allegiance to a group. It usually does. Hooray!
Wed, 15 Aug 2007 01:33 pm
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Well said Moxy. I like that and Cayn you are forgiven for your unintentional slur, you're still my snookums.lol

xxx
Wed, 15 Aug 2007 03:07 pm
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<Deleted User>

I'm all wrinkly and prunish because I've been waiting in the bath so long!boohoo:-(

Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:15 pm
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<Deleted User>

What a fantastic little rhyme Phil.
Please may I use it when I do my outreach work.
(I would put your name to it of course)
Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:18 pm
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Hi Maggie

Yes of course you can.

The poem itself itself is called 'Shackles' and there is a word missed out, 4th line down
It should read - 'We all have our identities that we seek'

Let me know how it goes down


Regards

Phil
Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:21 pm
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I will, thanks Phil. I'm sorry to not put this in the right place - but I like the word play at the end of your rhyme Fusion.

the stuff you do is very similar to the stuff I do - I work in the community with socially excluded people please check out the writing website I help to run: www.ourvoices.org.uk

I would be very interested in your feed back?

And any other WOL(ers) who wish to check out the site and give me their comments, are more than welcome and I'd be grateul for the input as constant improvement is important to me.

Magi.xxx
Magi

Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:26 am
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oops sorry I got the title of your poem wrong - but I like mine better - so I'm going to call it that anyhoo. Look forward to meeting you on Sunday.xxx
Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:34 am
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Where you refering to my poem 'Bring on the Fusion'

or the poem further down?

Its ok either way.

cheers

Phil
Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:35 am
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I was referring to the one further down - I'd like to use it for my outreach work in ommunities, but I did say I liked the word play con - fusion at the end of bring on the fusion - but I thought it was called fusion.

Magi
xxx
Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:05 am
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Hi Maggie

If you were to the play on con and confusion my poem on the review page and yes please use it. Its the least I can do for the help received by this sites fellow poets,( that still sounds strange when I say that).


Bring on the Fusion

The thunder of the heart the rhythm of the heart
Where should help begin? What’s the communities’ part?
Money comes in; some wanted and some unplanned
Agencies working separately; Why not work hand in hand

Separate boats sailing or rowing; racing across our turf
Why not catch the next wave and together we’ll surf
Atop the white horses we ride; we’re working side by side
Reach out for communal goals; any differences put aside

Communities grow alone upon the working fields of Trafford
Some are sustainable jet others, unfortunately, we can ill afford
People pulling this way and that; this only serves the confusion
Let us all take out the ‘con’ leaving a community with fusion

© phil goldng

Philip Golding - Fri 17th Aug 07

regards

Phil
Sat, 18 Aug 2007 01:48 pm
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Maggie

Just looked at your 'Our Voices' site. What a superb concept and right up my street.

Does the project have sister sites? Can the text on this site be shown in other languages?

Given me an idea for the site i am putting together, which will become my page, but if it could be a notice board for the communities of Trafford. The I am very much into putting things back into the system concept.

When it goes live it will be called www.poetryechos.co.uk .

We need to talk

Cheers

Phil

Sat, 18 Aug 2007 02:15 pm
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Well we are only Bolton based at the mo - don't think we'll expand to other countries - but I think we all hope that similar projects will expand to other places - but unfortunately there are only a few of us and we are very poor:-( so we do what we can with our resources!

Yep be good to talk to you I like all the stuff you are doing with your writin in the community, I am doing similar projects in Bolton.

Maybe we could swap and share ideas - I'll see you at the Howcroft on Sunday and give you my details so we can talk further in the fullness of time.

Magi
xxx
Sat, 18 Aug 2007 02:32 pm
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Pete Crompton

I think songs are poems.
I like to compose poems whilst listening to music.
Music releases our spiritual energy.


I am influenced more by song lyrics as much as reading poetry, probably due to the fact I can listen and drive and absorb in my waking day.

I am quite dynamic and often struggle to sit down and read, I need things moving and although the words jump off the page of a an exciting story or poem I like the ambiquous nature of some songs
Sat, 18 Aug 2007 02:41 pm
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very interesting point Pete.x
Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:40 pm
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On this point I'd like to question whatb the wonderful Gordon Zola did last night?

Is Autumn Leaves a poem or a song?

What ever it is, it's inspired and a delight to watch and what ever it is honey, I think you do for poetry what Elvis did for music, i.e. you make it your own!

Well done.
xxx
Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:33 am
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I agree Gordon's performance was an inspiration.

It prooves the point poems and songs are interlinked.

I have written a few poems when i have had a tune in my head. The resulting poem can be sung to that tune. I based one on the theme tune 'Raw Hide' .

I fine 'rap' lyrics

Cheers

Phil

Phil
Tue, 4 Sep 2007 02:40 am
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Just one more for the road. Poems are Lyrics in waiting. I wrote for a mate of mine in the States.who wanted to reach out to his girlfriend

Healing Time


verse

I want to be there for you baby, try to understand
Share your hurt together, our common land
Seeing the pain in your eyes, its breaking my soul
I want be there for you and make you whole

Chorus
You are my diamond light where ever I walk
I am there for you any time you want talk
I respect your space and your healing time
I’ll always be there for you, end of the line

verse
All the tears I’m crying for you are tearing me inside
Want to show you my love for you, just being by your side
Sometimes things I say or do might scare you away
Just want you to know, I’m here for ever and a day

Chorus
You are my diamond light where ever I walk
I am there for you any time you want talk
I respect your space and your healing time
I’ll always be there for you, end of the line

verse
Which paths we will travel down are never planned?
Please let us be together, you and me holding hands
What ever you want to say I will listen to you
Trust our love is strong and will see us through

Chorus
You are my diamond light where ever I walk
I am there for you any time you want talk
I respect your space and your healing time
I’ll always be there for you, end of the line

I respect your space and your healing time
I’ll always be there for you, end of the line

© Phil Golding 22/09/07
Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:28 pm
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The doors was essentially poetry put to music. I would class Bob Dylan as essentially a poet and he's been nominated for the nobel prize for literature on occasions
Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:16 pm
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