John Coopey

YOU CAN'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT

Friday 11th December 2020 1:16 pm

I know I shouldn't but I'm rather looking forward to what comes next. (A painful lesson in Negotiation for Beginners for you Brexiteers).

I saw him today with von der Leyen

He went to collect your “easy deal”

He’s back with his bucket good and empty

I hope he liked his last EU meal.

This was your turkey “oven ready”

Set to Gas Mk IV and ready plucked

The “easiest deal in history”

You see now, Brexit voters, you’ve been fucked.

“It’s all going to be oh so easy”

“They need us more than we need them”

Now it’s time to bend over for your shafting

And I blame you more than the PM.

I learned in industrial relations

From being a green debutante

The Great Unwashed think negotiation

Is simply spelling out what you want.

But you can’t always get what you want

You can’t always get what you want

And if you used your brains

You might see

It’s not always all up to you.

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Comments

John Coopey

Mon 28th Dec 2020 10:04

No team has lost more points in the last 10 minutes than us, Graham. We’d be running away with it if we hadn’t. And 2 points in the last 12 is Sheffield United stuff.

Graham Sherwood

Mon 28th Dec 2020 09:56

Christmas Eve is the clue?

It sounds like you got socks JC, some of us got paracetamol! Blessed relief. Now if we could only stop gifting two points away at closing time I'd be a lot happier!

John Coopey

Mon 28th Dec 2020 09:39

My response to your opening comment, Paul, about a deal already having been done seems pertinent now. I was wrong about the timing of the announcement which I expected in the New Year. I’d naively overlooked the value of Christmas as a blanket for burying scrutiny. The timing of the announcement, Christmas Eve, is the clue.

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Thu 24th Dec 2020 17:09

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John Coopey

Mon 14th Dec 2020 22:00

Not sure comparisons with a time when a third of the world was coloured pink, we had the largest navy, a huge manufacturing base etc etc etc are suitable when we now sit as a 2nd world nation on the doorstep (but outside the door) of the world’s biggest trading bloc. Rather like Huddersfield Town we did indeed have a glorious past,
Indeed we won’t see it, Graham. Rees-Mogg said it would be 50 years before we would. On the other hand, I suspect we’ll see the “re-adjustment” in our time, God willing.

Graham Sherwood

Mon 14th Dec 2020 13:38

Without a doubt things are going to be messy JC, the EU will make sure of that. However, I think my children and grandchildren’s generation need something new to create and be proud of and not just become puppets of the Federation of Franco-German Europe. Who knows what they’ll make? One things for sure, you and I won’t see it!

M.C. Newberry

Mon 14th Dec 2020 13:15

I suspect that many Remainers have never known anything other
than the situation across the Channel. I am that much older and
can recall the lie from a certain prime minister that there would be "no loss of sovereignty". The lies and the deceit have continued
apace ever since, so that we now have a political entity that now asserts a need for an army!! No wonder a nervous Russia takes issue!
Let me remind younger readers of the words in a letter from a
founder/enthusiast Jean Monnet - they may ring a bell with what
has been experienced down the years since the "project" got well
and truly under way in a fearful but long-gone post-WW2 world.
"Europe's nations should be guided towards the super state
without their people understanding what is happening. This can
be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having
an economic purpose but which will eventually lead to
federalism.".
That seems plain enough for the basis for what has been "sold" to
us as a proud sovereign people under the guise of trade. Talk about bread and circuses to keep the mob happy!!

John Coopey

Mon 14th Dec 2020 09:28

So you’re the one who knows what we’re getting, Graham? I also have a pig in a poke if you’re interested. Be quick, though - I’ve got another 17m takers.

Graham Sherwood

Mon 14th Dec 2020 00:36

Blaming Brexit it on the war
Claiming people didn’t know what they were voting for
Wanting an extra referendum (best of three anyone)

These old chestnuts really only serve to show how Remainers believe the people who voted leave are just uneducated and generally disadvantaged.

I think you got it wrong once and you’re getting it wrong a second time.
It’s time to grow some and show the world what we’re made of. Any organisation that is so difficult to leave isn’t worth being a member of in the first place.

John Coopey

Sun 13th Dec 2020 19:57

I assume from your response, MC, that this means you had (and still have no clue) about which way you voted on any of the issues I detailed.
Greg - the best explanation I can offer for the Brexit vote was (and continues to be) this

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=11LZIhF-2QQ

Greg Freeman

Sun 13th Dec 2020 18:34

Still harking back to the war, MC ... I'm too young to recall it personally. But 'the war' seems to be what Brexit is all about. Why?!

M.C. Newberry

Sun 13th Dec 2020 18:16

Disenchantment....decision....detachment.
We faced WW2 and declared war without much in the way of planning as I recall. But the time obtained the actions and we had
people with the strength of mind to make it work. It's a reality I
accept that we have a lack of that character in those around today
to see us move forward and get the job done. But necessity will
be a prime driver towards eventual completion of the decision to depart. Survival has been a thread through our history and self-
destruction is hardly aligned to the idea of life here. Self-interest
has its limitations when push comes to shove in the real world. I
take a more optimistic view of the future. Perhaps being born and
brought up by the sea instilled a DNA that seeks a return to wider
horizons beyond the artificial (as in "artifice") construction across
the Channel that poses and postures its way into disrepute.
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John Coopey

Sat 12th Dec 2020 22:05

So, MC, you voted for
what relationship with Northern Ireland?
what agreement on fishing?
What tariff arrangements?
what arrangement on labour movements?
what arrangements on competition rules with the EU?
workers' rights, the environment, state subsidies etc?
who would referee disputes between Britain and the EU?
if you know what you voted for on these issues you'd better let the Government know, because they don't.
The reality is you voted for an ill-thought out wish. Not a plan.

M.C. Newberry

Sat 12th Dec 2020 21:26

Sorry JC - but you're well off the mark. We leavers knew just what
we were voting for and it wasn't about the money. After all, we were
told often enough that this was a once-only decision (so we had to be sure) - a fact blithely disregarded by those in the Remain ranks ever
since..

John Coopey

Sat 12th Dec 2020 21:18

Thanks, Stephen. Four years on from the referendum and Leave voters still don’t know what they’ve voted for.
I’ve been trying to get rid of my pig in the poke. I’m encouraged I might be able to flog it to them.

Stephen Gospage

Sat 12th Dec 2020 17:32

You are right on the money, John. The UK government still seem to be under the delusion that they are Australia with about 100 times the negotiating power. Maybe Keith Richard should be leading the talks.

John Coopey

Fri 11th Dec 2020 17:14

All going to plan then eh, MC?
And thanks for the Like, Aisha.

M.C. Newberry

Fri 11th Dec 2020 16:30

Onwards and upwards, folks! Perhaps we'll may go down the rabbit hole along with Biden's America? But somehow, I think we'll
manage, just as we've always managed (and in far more dangerous
times). The one irony of this much-touted global world is the inter-
locking of economies and there's too much at stake to risk a domino
effect taking place. The EU is aware that these islands have a
far-reaching accumulative influence and an economy that can
adapt to many situations - maybe "painful" in the shorter term - but
also a substantial threat to that self-serving entity across the Channel. Softlly-softly catchee monkey.

John Coopey

Fri 11th Dec 2020 15:26

I’ll let you into a little secret, Paul. I would not be surprised if a deal had already been done but is being kept under wraps until well into the New Year. The advantage to this is that it would enable both parties to demonstrate to their hawks that they aren’t for turning. But then later to claim they’ve got subsequent concessions because the other side had conceded.
Thanks for the Like, Greg and Adam.

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