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Nearly no More Poetry; or, who'd be a poetry organiser?

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‘You can tell me to sod off if you like, but our guest poet’s from Northumberland and it’s a long way to come to read in this noise. I’ve no right to ask you to move, you’ve come for a drink and you want to enjoy it, but, could you move a little further down?’

Bad choice of days: a monthly Friday night in a pub under London Bridge. They would smile and reluctantly move. Well, generally.

I was tired of doing this, the poets, the non-reading audience looking at me with weary déjà vu as more customers came in, more drinks, more noise. It was the third venue in five years. I needed a new one. The first had been in Borough Market, a second floor room in a Georgian house above a shop - you could look through a twelve-paned box sash at the railway bridge less than ten yards away, the building vibrating as trains crossed - with the smell of grilling sausages filling the room from Posh Bangers below. Although we had, as an American visitor put it, ’the classiest lectern in town,’ the fumes had got thicker than the camaraderie, the congregation sparser and it became too uncomfortable.

After three years or so we went across the road to the Kings Head and a large, badly lit lincrusta’d room with a pool table at one end and unmanned bar at the other with a relentlessly whining air conditioner above it.

It had begun almost accidentally with me wandering into a Charing Cross Road bookshop where there was a reading going on with open mike spots run by a Ghanaian poet. One evening, a few weeks later, he didn’t show up. There were a dozen or so people waiting so I offered to take over. This I did for two months till the bookshop changed hands and there was no more poetry - at least, spoken. Somewhat hypocritically I believed that, like Victorian children, poets should be seen and not heard, reading aloud being merely an audio version of the real thing: that singular, elemental contact between reader, writer and the written word. Certainly double standards, as I listened to poets and would-be ones - wondering what the collective noun for poets was, someone once suggesting a ‘malice’ - at least once every four weeks, listened to the posturing indulgence of rap poets ruining rhythm, murdering melody, the post-modern poets with their pseudo-original stream of disconnected, inanimate objects, going nowhere and saying nothing; and neo-surrealist poetry whose only frame of reference was itself. We don’t know what we have to presuppose to settle an aesthetic matter, but craftsmanship, clarity, and a hoped-for originality are the criteria for me, and I wanted this place to be for genuine poets, both established and those at the beginning of a love affair with poetry.

So, here we are at my fourth place; a Victorian coffee shop off Brick Lane with no name on the fascia and, inside, sacks of coffee from around the world: I’d found it while wandering around the City and said to the girl behind a counter supported at one corner by part of an old Anderson shelter, that it would make a nice place for poetry. She had attractively unkempt hair, hot pants, tights, a wide smile and, handing me a cup of Venezuelan coffee, told me the owner, her uncle Antonio, was a poet.

This was in January last year, we started a month later. People can have the ground coffee beans of their choice, there’s wine and there’s Antonio, the laid back owner. We have had 40 people, but average between 25 and 30.

And there’s always Sophia…

Ken Champion runs MORE POETRY at The Coffee Shop 13 Leyden Street, London E1 7LE. We now have hundreds of event organisers using this website, and would be delighted to hear more organisers' stories, comments or thoughts about any aspect of organising live poetry, or whatever we should be calling it. Send yours to julian@writeoutloud.net.

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Caroline Vero

Thu 15th Mar 2012 19:11

I love Julian's comment about giving a voice to those who have never read their work before. That first time is such a hard thing to do, and thankfully most poetry venues are respectful of that, as the audience is mainly comprised of people who were there once themselves. In some cultures/countries poetry is held in high esteem so audiences turn up to simply enjoy and listen. Writing poetry seems to be a secret hobby here for most people, who wouldn't dream of sharing their thoughts. Is this just a British inhibition?

By the way the poetry in the pub went really well - the only intrusion into the evening being the shout when Arsenal conceded a goal!

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Julian (Admin)

Fri 9th Mar 2012 12:14

It occurs to me that this poem of mine is actually about this topic: http://www.writeoutloud.net/public/blogentry.php?blogentryid=27540

Well, it is about the fact that the person to whom we might be saying 'sod off' can often surprise us by taking a slip of paper from their pocket and reading something exciting, exquisite, or just plain important. That is what this whole thing is about, for me. Not the apples and snakes' bright young things, but the folks who have been scribbling all their lives because they just had to, who, thanks to the organisers of all these events on the gig guide, get chance to share their words with others, perhaps for the first time, and to have their voice heard.
Let's hear some of Antonio's work!

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Julian (Admin)

Fri 2nd Mar 2012 10:19

I do agree about the pubs issue putting some people off. Few Muslims would venture into a pub (though it has happened). The problem is finding a good café that stays open late. The areas where we most want to promote creative self-expression - the hard to reach places - tend to be those areas less likely to support independent, late-opening cafés.
I have just started a monthly night in our local village library, for the same reason as Adele at Swiss Cottage: to help keep it open. But what a pain it is, having to bring the chairs downstairs, move the bookshelves, then reverse the procedure at the end. And it is at the end that I really want to spend time chatting to the folks in the pub across the road.
There is one event in a Manchester suburb library that has run for years, and must be the worst live-poetry name going: Manky Poets. You have to knock on the side door of the library as it's out of hours, but they do let you bring a pint from the pub up the road. I often wonder if the library authorities actually know that Copland, the organiser, has the key.

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Jeff Dawson

Sat 25th Feb 2012 00:31

Hi Ken, know where you're coming from! Here in the birthplace of WOL, I have been asked to run the local open mic nights in Bolton.

I am just arranging our third venue in 14 months! Granted when I took over the night, I decided to move it to a pub I was doing other open mic music and poetry nights.

Unfortunately due the recession and the bar not making enough money in general I had to find another venue. That met with a similar fate!

So I've found another venue, the Brooklyn in Bolton, its a function room above the pub, so will be quiet enough, just hope the poets like it and the pub stays open, running out of options! All the best with yours Jeff

Caroline Vero

Fri 24th Feb 2012 18:08

I have read these opinions and I do understand Adele's point about the much younger audience -though in my experience there seem to be very few very young people in poetry venues. Perhaps we should be actively choosing to open early evening or weekend meetings, encouragement at a young age is such a bonus.
I am opening a new venue 'Beyond Words' in a side room of The Gipsy Hill Tavern on Tuesday 6th March and I have yet to see the effect a pub venue will have on the poetry. It is a completely separate room from the pub proper so I suspect the availability of a glass of wine at hand will outweigh any difficulty over the fact of it being a pub. I will post again after my first night !

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Adele Ward

Fri 17th Feb 2012 15:57

The good thing about libraries is that they usually have disabled access and even hearing loops (people who are hard of hearing love to sit at the back and call out to us to speak up until we blast the ears off the people in the front row).

Some libraries have excellent little cafes so people can get themselves coffee and whatever. I had to join the library user group to be able to use the venue and provide wine by voluntary donation to the library user group.

I just need to sort out a way to get them to turn the tannoy off in our event room! And it's a pity the hours are early, but it still attracts a lot of people including those who wouldn't go if it was in a pub.

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Graham Eccles

Fri 17th Feb 2012 00:00

once did a gig in an underground pub between rugby world cup matches. nightmare!!. I find cafes are the perfect space, if they are small and intimate. Quietness is the key. Little independant ones who have books, and GOOD coffee, maybe a courtyard, ah the dream of the perfect venue.

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Adele Ward

Thu 16th Feb 2012 12:18

When I was a young teenage girl first wanting to go to poetry events it was really disappointing to find they were mainly in pubs so I couldn't go. There are all sorts of reasons why a number of people don't go to open mics if they're in pubs. As poetry has become more open to more people, the venues chosen have also become more varied.

No venues are perfect. I'm trying to support libraries by holding my events in Swiss Cottage Library. It's a lovely venue, but it can't stay open late into the evening. It closes at 8pm. Of course there are plenty of people who like this, because it lets them travel into London from quite a distance, and then get the train back again. I do get a good crowd.

Some people like the times because I find it's best to have events on a Friday or Saturday, and they like to come to the poetry then carry on for an evening out with friends.

But I think coffee bars must be great places to hold open mics. We do need to think of alternative venues.And, much as I know there are people who are attached to the idea of pubs, it was because of events being held in pubs that I was put off going in my early years. There are reasons other than age and being shy to walk into a pub on your own that could put potential audience off pubs as a venue.

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Julian (Admin)

Wed 15th Feb 2012 17:43

The killer is often when a pub changes hands, and the clientele change, the landlord won't turn off the jukebox, or the brewery redesigns the pub so that there is no separation from the bar.
The first pub we used was like that, with just an old fashioned folding screen keeping the noisy bar out. Here is something written about that time: http://www.writeoutloud.net/public/blogentry.php?blogentryid=27540

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Julian (Admin)

Wed 15th Feb 2012 17:20

Yes, it rings bells. It is an interesting question about the purpose of open events. I have often been accused of dumbing down poetry by promoting live/open-mic events like this.
But I believe that everyone has to start somewhere, and that is why we are so important: organisers and readers alike. We are democratising poetry. Rap can be done well but, often...
And it can be a good way for youngsters to be attracted to poetry.

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Anthony Emmerson

Wed 15th Feb 2012 15:18

" . . . the posturing indulgence of rap poets ruining rhythm, murdering melody, the post-modern poets with their pseudo-original stream of disconnected, inanimate objects, going nowhere and saying nothing; and neo-surrealist poetry whose only frame of reference was itself."

Controversial statement - but, I'm afraid it does ring bells.

Regards,
A.E.

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Tommy Carroll

Wed 15th Feb 2012 12:36

What was Antonio wearing perchance? how was his hair fashioned? was his smile as wide as Sophia's? Did he have hose on?

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