Harry O`N eill

Saturday 7th June 2014 12:10 am (first posted Thursday 5th June 2014 4:16 pm)

(As someone puzzled at the relatively sparse reaction on here to the recent UKIP victories, I was fascinated by the opinion of Labour`s Stella Creasey in wednesday`s Daily Mail that if migrant workers were prevented from filling jobs in our economy then middle-class women would have to breed (and quickly) to fill a need created by Britains low birth-rate and ageing population. As someone who has just been assessed by an Eastern European medic then operated on by a Chinese doctor and subsequently nursed by an African nurse her remark that UKIP`s plans for a tough crackdown on immigration `will actually mean the NHS will not exist` fill me with a kind of cold trepidation.

BREEDING AND NEEDING

In this new enlightened age

With women`s choices regnant,

Should we all be worried

That so few are choosing pregnant?

◄ High-rise city centre Fairy Tale

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Comments

Harry O'Neill

Fri 17th Oct 2014 17:19

Regarding this.

Last night on T.v`s `This Week` I (at last!)
heard someone say what is the basic reason
for immigration.

Michael Portillo reminded us that the British
`replacement birh rate` was less than two per
woman. (1.85 actually) Whereas In America
(for example) It is 2.5. Therefore America is
producing sufficient taxable replacements to
fund its future pension costs and we are not.

Last year a quarter of all the babies born in the U.K. were born to mothers born themselves in
another country. (should all future pensioners -
of whatever ilk – rejoice?).

Portillo was worried in case the furore about
immigration diverted attention away from (in
his opinion) the more serious problems about
sovereignty...problems of nationalism which
the enthusiasts of the so-called `United States
Europe` will have to solve.

Harry O'Neill

Thu 12th Jun 2014 01:00

M.C.
iF UKIP has its way your points will be met

1...we will rule ouselves

2...Immigration will be soley our decision.

3...As Stella Creasey is trying to point out our home-born staff just never arrived in time to grow and be trained for the positions, so we will have to use all those billions we save from getting out of the E.U. to pay for new immigrants to come over (but it will be purely our own decision) to man the NHS. Our politicos will - as always - keep splurging our money on home-grown jaunts and various international visits

M.C. Newberry

Sun 8th Jun 2014 16:40

Point: The essential raison d'etre for Ukip is
"Who rules the United Kingdom?" In a Brussels-
based political club of nearly 30 nations
out for themselves, this is even more relevant.
Point: Immigration must be a decision for the
country affected not for those beyond its shores.
Point: The staff of the NHS could be significantly enhanced by home-grown numbers if
the billions paid each year to the EU (for what
"benefit" to us exactly?) were channelled into
the NHS funding. We shouldn't NEED to rely on
bringing in staff from abroad from countries
which stand to lose that talent from their OWN
health services.
We are a rich nation but our finances seem mis-directed in so many ways while our politicos
love to strut the world-stage and enjoy the
self-regulated (try getting a proper accountacy of the vast EU budget!) perks it provides...
even in retirement.

Harry O'Neill

Fri 6th Jun 2014 23:57

Thanks Laura and John, for the comments. Both of you are right about the challenge.

The political implications of UKIP`s success are fascinating.

Should (as is being proposed) the conservative party now unite in some way with with UKIP and enough Labour supporters go over and vote for the new situation, then it could be an election
winner next year.

In that case Cameron`s present ploy of pretending to re-negotiate the terms, agreeing some`cosmetic` alterations and holding the referendum with a
conservative `accept` recommendation would ( like similar policies in other `right-wing beleaguered` Europe- nations) be in grave danger of rejection.

The whole basis of the conservatives beloved `economically only Europe` is the free movement of capital, goods, services and–in particular–people within the `free trade` area. Anyone who thinks that this can permanently be restricted to `cherry picking` only the the ones we want (such as foreign trained doctors) is living in cloud cuckoo land.

The (partly legitimate) present concerns about the speed and volume of the movement of people now has a politically important focus. So perhaps now the politicians will be forced to give the European argument the public airing it so sorely needs.

On the breeding `hurry up` call to middle-class women: How refreshing to see a woman looking about her and (somewhat belatedly) suddenly
realizing why all these immigrants are here.

John Coopey

Fri 6th Jun 2014 21:17

I am not worried by UKIP, Harry. I am worried by the 4.3m people who voted for them. That is our challenge. Let's hope Lincoln was right about fooling the people.

Laura Taylor

Fri 6th Jun 2014 09:30

Glad you commented then Harry :)

I'd have written something but I've gotta be honest - I feel increasingly worn down by the endless grinding of this govt, and hugely worried by UKIP's popularity. Even round here in St Helens, although Labour won as per usual, UKIP came second in every single borough they had a candidate in, beating even the Tories. That shocked me.

And you are bang on re our medics.

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