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Here’s an uncomfortable scenario.  Every right minded person finds the daily revelations of historic child abuse disgusting and deplorable.  And I for one am no exception.

But some aspects of the issue give me cause for concern.  Not relating to child abuse or rape – let me be quite clear about that.  But on the surrounding area of sexual harassment and inappropriate behaviours.

Nowadays boundaries are very clear even though they continue to get crossed.  Forty years ago the situation was less so.  Just as racism was tolerated and even celebrated (remember “Love Thy Neighbour”?) so too was sexual harassment rife (the “Carry On” films and Benny Hill).  I would expect that everyone of us old enough to recall those days will have at the very least witnessed it or may even have experienced it.  It was a cultural norm.

So here’s the thing.  Supposing you were approached by the police investigating a complaint that you yourself did something inappropriate on April 29th, 1975.  How could you defend yourself?

But secondly there is a moral/legal question here, which is “Should the mores of one era be accountable to the mores of another?”  For example, suppose a law was passed in 40 year’s time banning smoking or eating meat – issues which today encounter only “soft” moral opposition.  Then suppose that 50 years from today you were accused of eating meat or smoking on a certain day back in 2015.  Would that constitute natural justice?

You would argue, “But we all were”, “It wasn’t such a big thing then”, or “Times have changed” -  not a million miles away from the defence we hear put about historic sexual harassment.

Not a perfect correlation, I will agree; but sufficiently close to make you think.

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John Coopey

Thu 4th Jun 2015 18:28

Yes indeed, MC.
... And Chaucer's "Wife of Bath" needs banning!

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M.C. Newberry

Thu 4th Jun 2015 18:04

The protection of children must be paramount in any
society that aspires to civilised behaviour. The law
saw a child as someone under 14 - thereafter he/she
became a "young person" until reaching the age of adulthood allowed by law. It is this time of life that can
become most difficult to negotiate for its demands on
burgeoning sexuality and the desire to experiment with
"attraction". The passing years have seen a lowering
of the age of consent in this context, no doubt to
prevent social finger-pointing or ostracism and to
recognise the effects of lifestyle/diet on the onset of puberty with each generation.
As for the inappropriate behaviour we are so ready to
to see in the recent past, I say without a blush
that I find the silly antics of Benny Hill and his gang
are still able to get me chuckling. Come on...it was all
too pantomime-ish to be taken seriously...something
only a committed "ist" of whatever origin could take
offence at. But then we have to recall the likes
of Mary Whitehouse to remember that there are
those out there just waiting to be "offended".
I can see the day when an ethnic English protestant
with a vulgar sense of humor will be beyond the pale
in his/her own land! And I wonder just what a
certain Will Shakespeare would make of it all.

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John Coopey

Wed 3rd Jun 2015 18:38

As you probably guessed, MC, my own view is that anyone found guilty of child sex offences deserves all they get under the law. Inappropriateness is a bit greyer. And it was certainly tolerated and practised 40 years ago.
I watched recently a programme about inappropriate 70s TV programmes with suitable affronted commentary. I found it a cheap shot for TV to show titillating stuff which would be frowned upon nowadays. Not that I minded much; I think I'm old and ugly enough to enjoy smut.

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M.C. Newberry

Wed 3rd Jun 2015 17:13

There are substantial differences between cultures
over what constitutes a female of marriageable age,
perhaps due to the disparity in life-expectancy and
the need to bring offspring into the world during a life
span than allows maximum fertility and corresponding
child care.
As for investing previous eras with our own ideas of
morality, we need to be careful. This is something of a
two-edged sword where social values are concerned
and while we love to believe that "today" has a right
to proclaim its superiority over other ages in many
spheres, this can be unsafe ground from many
perspectives.
With regard to the old accusations against well-known
figures (with no shortage of money?), these need to be
investigated/tested with the utmost care and rigour.
The term "victim" is in danger of being debased in
today's world when it is resorted to at the drop of a
hat for all manner of reasons - with the likelihood of a "bandwagon" result lurking among the genuine
complainants who just seek justice for what was
done when they should have been protected by the
law and proper adult behaviour from those who had
their care in their charge.

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John Coopey

Wed 3rd Jun 2015 15:52

Thankyou Cynthia.
I rather expected a bit of a backlash to this.
As an example of your thoughts, I believe Jerry Lee Lewis married a 13 year old. A bit shocking until it's pointed out that it was perfectly legal in that state.

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Cynthia Buell Thomas

Wed 3rd Jun 2015 15:38

You are absolutely right. This is a very difficult scene to navigate. The debasement of children was/is never acceptable. But what constitutes a 'child' is still highly contentious between cultures. On an ever-widening global scale, we all have to be fully informed, and not presume to force particular mores on other cultures. Calling a girl of fifteen a child, a menstruating female, is a very recent development from the historical perspective. So who's got it wrong? Social times change faster than physical advancement of the human creature.

And what about the female attitude that thrived on being whistled at, courted being whistled at? Oh, it's a messy business, this whole thing. You are so right.

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