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DO YOU BELIEVE?

Do you believe what you want to believe,

Encouraged by others who do?

Could you consider...can you even conceive

A differing point of view?

Once "they" said the World was flat,

And folk must have imagined a ledge

When thinking to themselves, if that was that,

They'd better not fall off the edge.

But then "they" said the World was round,

And folk must have tried to keep pace,

Wondering just where (not on Earth!) they'd be found

After shooting off into space.

Then "they" declared it's neither round nor flat,

But sort of oblong and set at an angle

So maybe - just maybe - that is that,

No more need for scientists to wrangle.

Now "they" say life's heating up by degrees,

And began by blaming Frigidaires -

With all those creepy unseen CFCs

Added to the Armageddon scares.

"They" said these were causing an ozone hole

Ten thousand miles away

From any major messes of Mankind's role,

In truth, rather a strange thing to say.

But gases from volcanoes bubbling under ice

Can help it to melt and unravel,

And in descriptive terms concise -

Can cause hot and cold stuff to travel.

But NASA (no less) now reports that more

Of that glistening glacial creation

Has been formed than had been found before

At that base of the Earth location.

If the North that embraces the midnight sun

Has ice that's dissipating

And the South Pole down where the sun don't run

Is gaining ice - that's fascinating!

Let Man act firmly to limit his pollution

And when all's scientifically said and done

Will the situation be adjusted with the solution

Of what's seen to occur on the sun?

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◄ PARIS - FRIDAY 13 NOV. 2015

DEREK HATTON ►

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M.C. Newberry

Sun 22nd Nov 2015 02:39

I've limited a previous reply to support Mankind's
actions against harmful effects on the world's climate
yet not lose sight of the natural climactic changes
being wrought by Nature in the context of the long
existence of this planet, with making them public - in
the context of "how and why" in this reported process
of change - equally vital to our overall understanding
of the Earth and its life support systems.

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Tim Ellis

Fri 20th Nov 2015 20:50

MC, the increase of ice in the Antarctic is sea ice. The ice sheet on the land is melting, but the meltwater going into the ocean freezes more easily than seawater, and it is exacerbated by increased cold winds coming from the interior of the continent. This video explains what's happening better than I could https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10154639113640008 The world's climate is an incredibly complex system, so I'd recommend you take note of what climate scientists have to say - they understand it better than the rest of us!

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M.C. Newberry

Fri 20th Nov 2015 17:45

Thanks, everyone, for commenting.
I certainly take the view that Mankind must act to
control his polluting effects on the World, and say so.
But the natural world and its support systems, mainly the sun, continue beyond our control, with NASA's
"altimetry data" from satellites recording an annual
increase of Antarctic ice of 112 billion tons per year
between 1992 and 2001, and that continent gaining
more ice than it is losing according to latest records.
Politicians relish power and influence; scientists relish
influence and money. True independence is free of any
of these in an ideal world. I note the frequency with
which "climate change" (e.g. down to Man) is now being
connected with effects on various other spheres of
importance - like finance and future prosperity. And
so its "umbrella effects" increase under the auspices
and influence of "experts". After over 30 years of
public service, my opinion of "experts" retains a
healthy circumspection of their alleged expertise
and their motives.
To borrow a well-known saying from elsewhere:
"Let's be careful out there"
- and that means all of us!
Cheers.

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Tim Ellis

Fri 20th Nov 2015 13:48

So you have to trust the experts, people whose whole careers have been studying climate, and whose conclusions are meticulously checked by other independent experts. The IPCC's most recent report was quite unambiguous.

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Cynthia Buell Thomas

Fri 20th Nov 2015 12:20

There are again 'revolutionary' theories about the shape of Earth, and other concepts. Social media can give a platform to anyone, who can then construct 'pathways of investigation' to support any given claim. I cannot fathom how any reader/listener does not appreciate the levels of guided manipulation. Finding 'truth' is often finding whatever 'someone' wants you to find.

I know this has always been the case; but the new network powers take this influence to currently unheard-of heights. Wisdom was never more needed.

OK, I'm done. Good topic, M.C.

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John Coopey

Fri 20th Nov 2015 10:48

I have ambivalent views about Global Warming, MC. We are still coming out of the last ice age so warming is inexorable until we recede into the next. On the other hand I do believe we are exacerbating the situation. I read Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth" when it was current many years ago and found it very persuasive.
On the broader concept I do believe we believe what we want to believe despite any evidence to the contrary.

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raypool

Thu 19th Nov 2015 21:19

My grandfather apparently believed that the world was flat, he belonged to the flat earth society -my father could not dissuade him from this. I don't think he ever travelled abroad. A confusion of ideas as they bring out the possibilities, Mark.
Nice one.

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