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The Banality of Evil

Good men have bad dreams

according to Jewish scripture.

They aren't signs of ill health (I flatter myself)

but a necessary safety valve;

in these pictures born of restraint

and repression is there a lesson

to be drawn, a symmetry to form -

might the dreams of bad men be good?

 

Let's suppose that they could:

forewarned is forearmed and cure

inferior to prevention; then by extension

early intervention's advised.

Imagine Sigmund Freud analysed

Adolf Hitler (when he was littler)

and discovered the  bugger

had a thing for his mother

but couldn't paint like Whistler -

his father was a bastard who battered

young Adolf in particular.

 

Sig couldn't help but notice - 

it's an obvious diagnosis

of Oedipal Complex;

the lad was rather self-obsessed

and circumspect concerning sex.

He'd reluctantly confess he was a flop

with the frauleins - two committed

suicide, another had a try.

 

All sufficiently unnerving but what Freud

finds most disturbing are the dreams.

Dreams of water, floating motionless

on oceans stretched to horizons

and beyond, a sense of lebensraum,

a vast purifying pond, a magic wand

launching golden showers

to cleanse and scour us.

 

A single figure in a liquid mirror;

Freud knows the flicker will glow and grow.

He lies on the couch, it's now or

it's Auschwitz. Would Sig pull the trigger?

A simple click, a bullet to the Id;

a Freudian slip we'd all forgive.

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Comments

Philipos

Tue 22nd Feb 2011 20:10

Ray - I won't go over well trodden ground - only to say I agree with all the positive things said about this poem - it's great - well done

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Isobel

Tue 22nd Feb 2011 16:25

My, you are a serious soul Julian...

I am glad you understand my sense of humour Dave. The massacre of millions of innocent people is a sombre subject indeed. The ability to sometimes make light helps me to cope with the world as it is and as it was.

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Dave Bradley

Tue 22nd Feb 2011 12:36

Thanks for coming in, Julian, but I really don't mind. What Izz says is all part of the 'robust exchanges' which make WOL so much fun, and is a legitimate point of view. It's only when people get personally hostile that it's a problem and that hasn't happened for me so far.

Like many others, I went through the background to the world wars exhaustively at A level and university. It's very, very complex but one thing seems certain - if the Allies had been more intelligent, imaginative and generous-spirited towards Germany in 1919 then the Nazis would have had fewer grievances to build on. Perhaps it was asking too much after such an appalling war. At least the lesson was understood and things were different after 1945. Who says we never learn?

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Julian (Admin)

Tue 22nd Feb 2011 12:15

I am not sure that, in terms of encouraging quality of debate, putting down a well-considered, thought-provoking reply such as Dave's, is helpful.
It is, in fact, one of the most important questions of our era that Ray's poem reminds us of so well: what might have been? How did it happen? To assume that it is all down to one man who had a dangerous, misguided charisma is to "under think" perhaps the greatest tragedy of the 20th century, one that is the reason I exist and overshadowed most of my life.
As Einstein reminded us: to every complex human problem there is always a simple solution; and it is almost invariably wrong.

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Isobel

Tue 22nd Feb 2011 11:03

You over think things Dave. You obviously haven't watched any Bruce Willis films. Not many people could deliver speeches like him or whip up such a frenzy - the bastard needed shooting.

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Dave Bradley

Tue 22nd Feb 2011 10:48

Intriguing and well written. There is an 'Alternative Histories' genre which explores the 'what ifs'. I would lean towards a view that Germany's predicament would have led to a successful extreme right-wing party of some kind. Maybe without Hitler it wouldn't have been quite so appalling, but who knows. And that's the point isn't it - who knows? Who is in a sufficiently godlike position to really know what someone will do? Psychiatrists making decisions on whether to recommend release of potentially violent prisoners face this dilemma every day.

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Greg Freeman

Tue 22nd Feb 2011 09:08

Thanks Isobel for putting my small worry in perspective, and giving Ray's poem its proper due. (I love Springtime for Hitler, Ray, and the North Minehead by-election sketch)!

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Isobel

Tue 22nd Feb 2011 08:38

I would agree that this is a marvellous poem - so rich in thought.
Is prevention better than cure? Can some extremes ever be cured? Is a good man bad for contemplating a violent act that would so benefit humanity. Had he pulled the trigger, he would have been considered a madman, a badman. How many people would we all pull the trigger on now? Does one man have the right to set himself up as God and make that decision?
I didn't mind the reference to Auschwitz - I didn't find it glib at all. It pretty much crystalised the choice to be made.
I loved your concluding line also - I think we'd all agree with it.
Very clever - very gripping. It didn't hook me in, in the first verse though - I think that's why you haven't had enough comments on this wonderful piece. x

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Ray Miller

Mon 21st Feb 2011 23:58

Thanks for the comments.This really isn't the kind of poem that wins poetry competitions, Greg, for all kind of reasons.
OK, so "He lies on the couch, it's now or it's Auschwitz" is brutal, flip, glib.I dunno myself. Would it strike you that way without the rhyme? I see it in the best tradition of Monty Python, Mel Brooks.I was taken with the notion that if good men have bad dreams can good ensue from evil deeds? And all that jazz. I was saying that prevention is better than cure in the medical, even political sense, I guess. I'm not really a flippant person, honest. I'll have terrible dreams tonight.

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Noetic-fret!

Mon 21st Feb 2011 23:30

This is a very interesting poem and one I was immediately drawn too. I must admit though I am rather myself shattered by the Glib reference to Auschwitz in what many readers would interpret as a bit of tongue in cheek. Because of that reference it makes you study the poem again and when you do, you begin to have negative feelings about the writers intentions??? On further reading too, yes you could always argue prevention is better than cure, but in what context I wonder? It rather misleads the reader into some kind of acceptance that it is in some circumstances okay to perhaps, maybe, kill someone who may show all the indications of nurturing the same macabre act. In this glib form, it then becomes something sinister. And then, you have to argue the point of a theme that may transpire from this kind of thinking, or dare i say, conditioning. And that is The Minority Report. In reality, one could not rely on oracle alone, one would have to use a Time Machine for prevention of unnecessary killings and genocide, but then there is another whole topic to discuss from that. For example, if a life is taken, and you go back in time to prevent that life being taken, wouldn't there be a particular phenomena whereby the person saved experiences all the pain of death, without actually dieing once that period in time was caught up again? And what of the Theories of Azazel, Satan, The Nephilim, would they not want to take the life that had already been took before that life was saved??? This poses so many questions. But then, the bending of time has through the ages always been something man has argued about till at least some of them, have lost their minds. Further, what of the Niburu, dopplegangers and such. There is a whole realm out there. Bit sad you mentioned Auschwitz there. But good discussion topic here, we could see where the latest thinking is on this.

regards, mike.

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Greg Freeman

Mon 21st Feb 2011 12:07

This is a marvellous poem, Ray, intelligent and funny and of course well-crafted, and constructed. You must enter this in competitions. Reading the second stanza almost make me start whistling Colonel Bogey. One tiny quibble, and it's probably just me: I found the words "it's now or it's Auschwitz" a bit too brutal, or flip, somehow. But I am a very sensitive soul. My wife is always saying so.

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