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William Blake and Christian socialism: the poetic side of Tony Benn

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Tony Benn, one of the most famous British political figures of the late 20th century, has died at the age of 88. Like Margaret Thatcher, he was regarded at one time as bitterly divisive. But unlike his old foe, he came to be seen in later life as almost a national treasure, thanks to a series of speaking tours and appearances full of warmth and wit. Those characteristics were on full display last year at Ledbury poetry festival, where he talked about his favourite lines and verses. Benn was frail, and spoke softly and at times haltingly. The warmth that emanated towards him from the packed festival audience was unforgettable.

His favourite words included William Blake’s Jerusalem, which he said summed up a Victorian view of Christianity “as an adjunct of socialism”. He explained that the choice was in honour of his mother, a dedicated Christian who had campaigned for the ordination of women but who had left the Church when it delayed bringing in the reform. She believed, he said, that every political issue was “essentially a moral question. It’s either right or wrong.” 

He also included in his poetic list the words of Slow Train, a lament by the songwriting duo Flanders and Swann for the branch line railway stations closed in the 1960s by Beeching: “No more will I go to Blandford Forum and Mortehoe … on the slow train from Midsomer Norton and Mumby Road.” Benn also saw poetry in the words of the UN Charter, Abraham Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address, The Battle Hymn of the Republic, and Oscar Wilde’s essay The Soul of Man Under Socialism. His Desert Island Poems list concluded with Don McClean’s song Vincent. 

Benn’s death has come at the same time as the 30th anniversary of the miners’ strike. Friend and foe would agree, he always made clear which side he was on.   

 

Background: The politics is in the poetry

 

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M.C. Newberry

Tue 18th Mar 2014 17:42

Been clearly enjoyed his role in later life free
from that to which a long-serving Labour MP has referred in a personal appraisal. I quote:
'Only in his later years when all hope of "pelf
and place" were gone, did Bennery come to a
real fruition because his long career in politics went through three phases, from keen young moderniser, through disruptive middle age to socialist icon'.
There is no being "right" to be trumpeted except
when ego is all - but the life and passing of a
politician who, if he had his way, would have
surely encouraged the debate ("encouraged" was
the word he chose for his own tombstone).


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John Coopey

Mon 17th Mar 2014 14:57

I would thoroughly support his taste in poetry and song.

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Ian Whiteley

Mon 17th Mar 2014 14:17

it beggars belief that anyone would think that the death of a politician, albeit a poetry loving politician, would not bring party loyalties out into the open or elicit 'the usual ping pong'. It is that ONE point of contention that Chris is digging his heels in about - not the rest of Greg's interesting and thought provoking piece. I have to say that I totally agree with Chris and his right to object - comparing Tony Benn to Margaret Thatcher - simply because they were extremists - is like comparing oil with wine - after all they are both liquid!
Perhaps those who do not want to argue the political on this piece should actually raise some comments about the rest of the well written article and leave the 'politico's' to make whatever comments they wish about the rest of it - after all, as Tony Benn himself would have argued, everyone has the right to comment and free speech whether you/they like it or not - thanks - Ian

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dorinda macdowell

Mon 17th Mar 2014 07:27

A good, right-thinking man: the world is the poorer for lack of him.

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Graham Sherwood

Sun 16th Mar 2014 23:34

Greg,it's a shame this thread has been high jacked by the politicos who as usual are stripping the bones of a single point made in your piece. I thought it was about the man's poetic preferences, but sadly it has been swiftly transformed into yet another overblown ping pong tirade.

Nick Robinson is right when he says that TB will be best remembered as a chronicler of an era.

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Chris Co

Sun 16th Mar 2014 21:12

"Like Marargate Thatcher, at one time he was regarded as bitterly divisive"

The above and nothing more, is what I have rallied against. I wont apologise for that whether it is two onto one, three onto one - or ten onto one.

Let's us see who is right!

Let us see what the British public thinks when it comes to his funeral.

Let's see if we have the same widespread reactions across the country as we did for her.

Let us see if you are right Greg/MC, let us see if I am right.

It is as simple as that.

P.S

Other people might not find that comparison worth fighting against - I happen to think it is rather important. Unless free speech has had its day...

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Isobel

Sun 16th Mar 2014 20:23

I don't think Tony Benn's death or the tone of this article warrants us all going to war over politics on WOL.

It's a good article Greg and it's interesting to hear of Benn's connection with poetry - I hadn't realised he was such a sensitive soul.

And at last - someone notable who shared your interest in trains!

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M.C. Newberry

Sun 16th Mar 2014 15:28

As a matter of fact I held no "brief" for the
politics of "Left or Right for a lifetime's
career - my work and its demands saw to that.
But, for example, I'm mindful of the fact Lord
Attlee spoke for our allies in the readily abandoned Commonwealth countries when MacMillan
was pushing to join the (then) Common Market...
and that Heath, ignoring the words of Geoffrey
Rippon, knew full well that he wasn't telling
the British people the whole truth about the direction of that political creation - deceit
and want of truth marking its progress ever since.
Since retirement I have taken more interest in
politics and its players - past, present and
future. It is all very well to talk about "history" but, as someone observed, it is usually written by the winners - and ignored,
challenged or derided by those of opposing views!
Chris Co seems to regard every view that takes
a mildly questioning line as a challenge to be
"seen off" (at length!) if it appears at odds with his own.
People in politics are neither saints nor sinners but those who take their chance to use
their views to affect the rest of us - from whatever side of the political spectrum they
emerge.

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Chris Co

Sun 16th Mar 2014 15:26

You think my feelings on Benn are not mixed Greg...Mmm.

I tell you ehat I shall post here my reactions from facebook. The post is long and detailed. It contains the nuance that seems to be otherwise lacking here.

P.S there was nothing mild in M.Cs comments - there never is!

Benn can't be regarded in one way, his time in politics and his positions and roles are so considerable. As such I think it better to consider different phases of his political life. Benn of the 1960s was dynamic, a brilliant debater and orator and he was a very good minister, particularly as minister for technology. His battle over his peerage and remaining in the house of commons, like his wish to have nothing to do with inherited titles was admirable. In the 1970s his principles led him into disastrous confrontations with his own party and helped seal labours fate and Thatchers continued success, i say helped. We shouldn't overplay it, given the upturn in the economy, partly down to reform, partly down to a upward return to the mean, and given the Falklands effect - she was never really going to be defeated. Labour winning an election, well, it was never going to happen back then. The split simply made the party look bad and bad publicly...though granted it did delay a return to power post Thatcher.

He was quite wrong in his dealings with militant and his command economy was never going to happen, never even remotely accepted by his own party let alone the country. So in terms of logistics, and reality his cause was unrealistic and deeply damaging.

Whether it could have worked politically if allowed is debatable and of course depends upon your politics. My politics, that of a social democrat, a mixed economy of relatively free trade, to the back-drop of a refusal to privatise things that I believe/believed to be too important to leave to the profit motive - hospitals/NHS, Railways (sadly gone) Energy (national interest - gone or going)...well In my opinion, and that is all it is...I think such a command economy would fail. Well meaning though it was or is, I think such economies deny human nature, and in that stifle economic growth.

Whatever the rights and wrongs, Benn was principled and committed as ever. He was also a very compassionate man and if there was a blind spot, it was in hoping people would be better than they actually are.

Yes he backed Scargill, but what choice did he have? Even Norman Tebbit came out and said that Thatchers pace and direction of closures was probably too much and that it Tebbit speaking! At a time when Scargill and Thatcher were playing political games and the miners suffered to the extent they did - Benn had no choice but to back the miners. In terms of other industries, when he was in office prior to Thatcher, the use of subsidy in clearly failing, economically challenged industries - here like labour he was more at fault.

All said and done though, he can never be compared to Thatcher. Not only did he go on to be a great humanitarian voice and authority, leading figure in the Anti-war movement, proponent for gay rights and black people etc, he simply never had enough power to make any mistakes on the level that Thatcher did. That is why we will not see a number one song celebrating the death of Benn, or Crowe for that matter. Neither Benn nor Crowe can be mentioned in the same breath as Thatcher when we use the word divisive. They were colourful and controversial figures, loved and loathed in equal measure, but not in Thatchers league. She occupies an entirely different stratosphere. The speed of her reforms committed great swathes of the country to the scrap heap, she ruined lives in great number. She was socially repressive and had more in common with the outgoing Ukrainian president, than she did with modern western ways of treating a population.

Thatcher had her effigy burnt across the country, was reviled by many opponents in parliament. Benn and Crowe on the other have been eulogised by colleagues and opponents alike...there is good reason for this, the logic is there.

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Greg Freeman

Sun 16th Mar 2014 07:34

I resisted my initial inclination to respond to your comments, Chris, but I do think your long riposte to MC's mild and brief words deserves a reply. I take your point about Thatcher and Benn, but only to a certain extent. You will have noted that the word "divisive" came up many times in the obits of Benn on the BBC and in the Guardian.I understand why you reacted the way you did to Thatcher and Benn being mentioned in the same breath. But I believe it is right to link them in some way, because I would argue that his actions in the early 80s, in terms of unintended results, led to a splintering of the left and gave Thatcher a free run in power, with the results you describe. I care deeply about that, and think it is right to point it out. On the other hand, as I watched the BBC programme late on Friday night, I was struck by his desire to support British industry in the 1970s. Visionary, yes. Genuine, yes. Practical? Maybe. I'm just guessing that there are more people out there with mixed feelings about Tony Benn than you might imagine, Chris.

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Chris Co

Sun 16th Mar 2014 03:28

Did I say it was sweetness and light M.C? I rather think not.

The point is simple, Benn does not occupy the same stratosphere as Thatcher when it comes to divisivness - context is everything! If you doubt this for even a second, we can compare the respective outpourings, both in parlianment and across the country.

There will be no hit single celebrating his death, there wont be dozens of burning effigies. Thought of Benn will not result in burning tears, in grown men and women speaking with unspent fury in their voices after 30 odd years.

He will be respected on both sides of the parliamentary divide, not derided and spoken of with bitterness. So the public, the entire British public and parliament will tell you much, tell you the difference between Thatcher (the most divisive prime minister in this countries history) and Benn.

I could go on, speak of how Benn was widely regarded as a fine debator and orator, fine mp and brilliant minister in the 60s. I could talk about how the world softened to his progressive social policies in reference to rights of minorities, gay rights, the rights of black people etc. I could talk about the third phase of his life and his humanitarian speaking and work, so respected by young people in this country. His rallying against the war in Iraq etc etc

But ultimately I'll settle for the entire responses, respectively - that for Thatcher's passing and that for Benn's.

Or put another way M.C I'll settle for the vast response of the British people being in accordance with what I am saying - and diametrically opposed to what you have had to say :)

P.S

History exists M.C, as much as you like to claim ownership of the past via your anecdotes. As for Healy, I too saw the interview ;). Healy also stated that his attitude had differed in later life where they were friends. You forgot to mention that. Nice of you to care so much for internal labour policy though M.C - I'm sure your care is very much genuine as a right-winger lmao.

How many miners so easily forgave Thatcher for what she did? How many relatives from Hillsborough? How many people thrown on the scrap heap forgave her? How many people suffering mental ill health, who were thrown out of institutions forgave her? How many in the industrisl cities, how many in Wales? How many forgave her for the poll tax? How many in Brixton? How many in Toxteth?

Absolutely ridiculous to use the word divisive in the same context as Benn and Thatcher. It would be like saying Tony Blair and Hitler were both disliked.

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M.C. Newberry

Sat 15th Mar 2014 16:10

Denis Healey was interviewed about Benn's passing
and it is clear that the bitterness that the
latter aroused within his own party's ranks
still lingers. Healey still retained the memory
of Benn's personal invective even so many years
on. Perhaps those who were mature when both
were in their pomp are best able to remember the
state of party politics then. Sweetness and light,
it wasn't!

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Chris Co

Fri 14th Mar 2014 12:33

I'm not sure he could ever be mentioned in the same breath as Thatcher, not using the term "bitterly divisive". He may have had his disagreements, but a sense of perspective is key here. He didn't score this country with decades of division, he didn't set families upon one another, he didn't sanction truncheons on miners, try to destroy entire ways of life or cover up mass injustices.

I know it is tempting to make comparisions, but really, there can be absolutely no equivocation here between him and Margaret Thatcher when it comes to "that term".


Yes they were both politicians of principle and idealism...that comparison though? Absolutely not!

P.S

A more useful comparison would be Disraeli.

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Cathy Bryant

Fri 14th Mar 2014 10:35

A lovely piece about one of my heroes. Thank you.

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