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Laura Taylor

Mon 15th Apr 2013 15:55

Howdy again Chris

Aye, Merry Hell are playing Wallasey this Sunday chuck. I don't think I'll be going along as will be having a late one Saturday supporting John the Baptist in Wigan. Will be needing me kip before work on Monday :) I know Bob would love to see y'all there though :)

You are bang on re John Smith. I was absolutely gutted when he died. For me, that really was the end of a genuine Labour party. It's been a sham ever since - not for the working class in the slightest, it's in name only. For 'New' Labour read 'Blue' Labour.

Aye, thanks for respecting my views, and you know that I always have time for yours, because I know that you do actually sit and think these things through, you do actually research stuff, and you form your opinions based on that research and thinking. I get so bloody tired of people regurgitating nonsense all the time!

Take good care anyway - hopefully see you and Nat soon

Laura

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Ian Whiteley

Mon 15th Apr 2013 15:42

Oi John
who said i paid for the tea-cake - i'm a yorkshireman - if it's too expensive it don't get bought :-)
Ian

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Ian Whiteley

Mon 15th Apr 2013 15:40

Harry
thanks for commenting on 'old tyke blues' my day did improve sufficiently to keep on going - but somtimes it's a struggle :-)
Ian

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Ian Whiteley

Mon 15th Apr 2013 15:38

hey MC
thanks for the comment on 'old tyke blus' i'm thinking of putting it to a blues tune - so better be careful i don;t infringe any copyrights on the song you mention from your childhood
Ian

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Ian Whiteley

Mon 15th Apr 2013 15:33

Chris
thanks for the comments on 'fields of carbon & blood' and 'the beast' - much appreciated - enjoyed your reading at the tudor and 'i'll be back' so will have a chat with you later
cheers
Ian

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Chris Co

Mon 15th Apr 2013 14:52

Hi Laura thx for reading and for the feedback on my latest. Much appreciated. I have left a comment on the blog.

Oh and...

Me, Nat and maybe her Dad heard Merry Hell were playing the Old Wallaseyans in a couple of weeks. If you could let us know exactly when, we can dive over.

Best of

Chris

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Chris Co

Mon 15th Apr 2013 14:48

Thx Laura, Glad the poem worked for you. Thx for the feedback - your words are very much appreciated.

Her bruise remains....it really does doesn't it. I also felt a need to slap New Labour in the poem to. I couldn't help but feel that they sold the party out. 'Things can only get better' was their slogan and the line from the d'ream song Blair used in winning the 97 election. If Blair didn't continue with Thatcherism (she was the 1st person he invited to dinner at number 10 once elected) maybe things wouldn't have been so bad? Maybe things wouldn't have been so easy for this extreme right wing party we currently put up with. I wonder how much the death of John Smith has cost this country. If he had lived maybe labour would have continued to be labour and some of her excesses and those we face now would not be so.


Your poem is very powerful and very well written. I understand given circumstances why our responses, somewhat differ. In your shoes I think my response would be the same and I support your take on matters with this in mind.... I think our political beliefs are very similar.

My Best

Chris

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Trevor Wainwright

Mon 15th Apr 2013 13:59

Thanks Ged, I'ts been good so far, two days in Austin, now Lamesa. So I'll have time to add to my blog, have done 30 poems since departure day.

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Nigel Astell

Mon 15th Apr 2013 12:40

Thank you Dorinda

I think all of us are gifted poets in the Stockport WOL group to which I am just a part of - - -

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Laura Taylor

Mon 15th Apr 2013 10:32

Absolutely Isobel.

And Chris - great post there.

Another aspect to all this is the sheer audacity of the Tories lining up to attend the funeral - the very same men who kicked her arse out of No 10! The hypocrisy is out of this world - it's a whole new level.

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Laura Taylor

Mon 15th Apr 2013 10:23

Thanks Ged for your note on Dear Margaret. That's all we can ever do eh? Write our own truth. Surely that's the essence of being a poet?

Ta anyway, appreciate you taking the time to read and comment. Kind of wrote itself - been bubbling away in me for years, unsurprisingly :)

Cheers

Laura

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Laura Taylor

Mon 15th Apr 2013 10:18

Fantastic poem yet again mate

You have a real knack for writing poetic political poetry - so many cracking lines in this.

This is excellent:

But her bruise remains,

and all their blood has bled to blue
and in a land of thieves and liars

Thanks for your note on Dear Margaret. Wrote itself really - been bubbling away in me for years those feelings.

Wish I'd been at the Tudor last week to hear this and the others. Ironically, total skintness prevented me :)

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Laura Taylor

Mon 15th Apr 2013 10:14

Hi Harry

Thank you for your considered reply on John's poem - I'm going to reply here now as he has posted another poem. I acknowledge and respect your direct experience and history - thank you for your insights on a particular era in the unions' history. I was aware of the ballot issue. I will still have to agreeably disagree about the loss of manufacturing jobs, mind, and don't think you can make that comparison with Blair - it's a different kettle of fish completely. I don't believe for a second THEY caused it, I have enough knowledge on that score. You can however make a direct correlation between Thatcher's part in the deregulation of certain banking practices and the financial collapse.

Amongst my social circle, she was despised over the Falklands debacle. It seemed to us that it was the right wing press that were glorying in it (that'll make a change then!).

I'm not keen on your use of the word 'shameful' underclass - seems to be rather judgemental, that term. I would agree however that we would not be needing in-work benefits if people were paid an actual living wage instead of a pittance. It's that same old Money Trick yet again. I don't think Robert Tressell would be too shocked to know that it's still going on, as strong as ever.

Your last couple of lines made me smile by the way :)

Hope to see you at a poetry event at some point

Take care

Laura

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Pete Slater

Mon 15th Apr 2013 09:00

Hey, hya Mike.
Fancy meeting you here ha,ha.
Thanks for liking Shadows mate, it's a special one for me, takes me back every time I read it. BTW, Endless seconds ... loved the images ....
"Time's breath holds;....tenses
and unfolds, turns skin to silk; stimulates
limbs to gold."

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John Coopey

Mon 15th Apr 2013 08:23

Make sure you get it right on Wednesday, guys!

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Greg Freeman

Mon 15th Apr 2013 08:02

Very funny, interesting story, John. It would make a bloody good poem, too.

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Ged Thompson

Mon 15th Apr 2013 03:37

Nice one mate!

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Ged Thompson

Mon 15th Apr 2013 03:33

Ahhhhh you big sweety recommending me!

Love you lots like Jelly Tots X

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Ged Thompson

Mon 15th Apr 2013 03:30

Safe Journey mate

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Ged Thompson

Mon 15th Apr 2013 03:27

Firstly after reading the feedback o this, I'm very disappointed that poets are insulting one another. Our aim is to act as social barometers, we will not all be of the same level of calibration as we all dwell in different social climates.

I Try to look at that work and not the persons stance on a matter. As a piece of poetry it is really good. I can see how on such a hot topic there will always be emotion involved and this is part of what we do. Emotion fuels poetry and in doing this the end result is it incites it in others. Such a strong reaction to it is actually a compliment to the writer I believe in a paradoxical way.

The writer gave his opinion and was true to his beliefs and this I respect although my own opinion of Thatcher is lets say it nicely....Well she wasnt someone I'd like to have round for dinner. But saying that, I doubt she'd care very much for me and would probably view me as scum.

He also showed us retrospectively the conditions of the country before her coming to power which we do have to admit where very bad. Hence her popularity in the poles.

People so often blame society, we are society, and when we argue we dissolve society.
I believe that it is possible to take understand another persons view point and treat their opinions with respect without necessarily agreeing with it or taking it as our own.

Maggie was unfortunate enough to never find heart connection, compassion or humility while in power. Rather than hate her I pity her greatly. We all owe a debt which must be paid in this life or the next and that woman carries a heavy debt.

I was a good poem, well done, it fueled debate, your task as a poet is complete MC

Regards

Ged


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Martin Peacock

Sun 14th Apr 2013 23:44

Oooh, wonder what 'wo Bob' would make of this? Mr. Zimmerman, the floor is yours...

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John Coopey

Sun 14th Apr 2013 22:30

I forgot to add that I very much enjoyed 'Nothing Left' as you might expect from one who has voted the same way in 11 successive general elections.

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John Coopey

Sun 14th Apr 2013 22:28

Many thanks for your kind thoughts on my prose piece, Schadenfreude.

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John Coopey

Sun 14th Apr 2013 22:28

Many thanks for your kind thoughts on my prose piece, Schadenfreude.

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John Coopey

Sun 14th Apr 2013 22:27

Many thanks for your kind thoughts on my prose piece, Schadenfreude.

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John Coopey

Sun 14th Apr 2013 22:24

Many thanks for your kind thoughts on my prose piece, Schadenfreude.

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John Coopey

Sun 14th Apr 2013 22:23

Many thanks for your kind thoughts on my prose piece, Schadenfreude.

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John Coopey

Sun 14th Apr 2013 22:23

Many thanks for your kind thoughts on my prose piece, Schadenfreude.

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John Coopey

Sun 14th Apr 2013 22:22

Many thanks for your kind thoughts on my prose piece, Schadenfreude.

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John Coopey

Sun 14th Apr 2013 22:19

Jimmy Tarbuck, John Bishop, now the Kop.
I gather they do good ones about the Munich Air Crash and the Juventus fans killed at Heysel.
Those Liverpool scallies really do have the monopoly on wit and repartee!

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John Coopey

Sun 14th Apr 2013 22:13

Fully agree with the sentiment, Ged. Likewise it's where I sit. Detested the woman (with good reason as I explained in my piece of prose), but equally detest the sight of folks dancing on her grave.
Poetically tight and well crafted with some vivid images.

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Isobel

Sun 14th Apr 2013 20:15

Well that's interesting. Maybe there's a lesson in that little story. People become a lot more interesting when they become less self absorbed or stop taking themselves too seriously.

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Greg Freeman

Sun 14th Apr 2013 19:55

Thanks, Isobel. Interesting thing is that Tom Jones only became cool when his son took over his management. And dad had to be persuaded to sing "You're My Sex Bomb" rather than "I'm Your Sex Bomb" ... he didn't adjust to his new image overnight.

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Isobel

Sun 14th Apr 2013 19:48

Poetry and politics to one side for a moment, it's just so wrong that we should be footing the bill for the state funeral of a politician, when the rest of the country is being told to accept austerity measures. There's just no getting away from the unfairness of that.

Given the choice, I'm sure that nobody would have voted to spend 3 million on such a thing - even if they didn't despise her...

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Mike Hilton

Sun 14th Apr 2013 18:57

Nice one Pete. Much enjoyed!
Mike

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tony sheridan

Sun 14th Apr 2013 18:51

Well said Andy! Take care, Tony.

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Tommy Carroll

Sun 14th Apr 2013 17:14

Newburry You do speak the truth- pitty its out your arse. Carry on.

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Tommy Carroll

Sun 14th Apr 2013 17:12

Sorry a.f.s she was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of members of the armed forces and misery enforced through her economic policies,did she stop and grieve for the deaths and misery? or did she carry on carrying on?- Tommy

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M.C. Newberry

Sun 14th Apr 2013 16:05

Hey TC - it strikes me that those who are gleefully hitting on "Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead" seem aptly unaware that it will be forever associated with posturing loud-mouthed midgets.
Ding Dong...carry on.

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Chris Co

Sun 14th Apr 2013 16:01

One view is to see all that is great...look at Wordsworth's London. Another very different view of London at the time was provided by Blake.

Wordsworth didn't smell the shit or see the degredation - neither it seems did most of Thatcher's supporters when considering her time in office. To hear them speak of this time is to hear of a different world - one that I don't recognise.

The choice of poet seems appropriate...

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John F Keane

Sun 14th Apr 2013 15:44

Did Thatcher request the poem herself? Or was it someone else?

I find the former very hard to believe. She never struck me as being anything but a total philistine, like most English lower middle-class people. Besides, wasn't her academic background in law and chemistry?

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Ged Thompson

Sun 14th Apr 2013 15:19

Chris put me on to reading this and I'm so glad he did.

Its brilliant true and poignant, Its written from true emotion and is unapologetic in its venom towards the injustices done.

Its a very honest and well written piece, we all see differently and all fell differently and maybe there is no 'THE TRUTH' only our own truth. if we speak our own truth we cannot be faulted as long as we are true to ourselves.

You have illustrated your truth in the style of a very skilled and gifted poet.


Well done, much respect for you

Ged X

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Chris Co

Sun 14th Apr 2013 14:35

I really like the line now Ged. Sense and end rhyme come together perfectly imo.

In terms of Laura's poem; If you search for Laura via the search box in the top left of the screen, you should be able to reach her profile. Her poem should be the last/top on her list of poems/blogs.

Best

Chris

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Jon

Sun 14th Apr 2013 14:09

Hi Tom, Love the narrative style of this poem.I especially enjoyed the last stanza with the marrying of the cold and the hatching of a relationship; 'my mother and father were still skating around the possibilities of a life together' Nice one;great illustrations too

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Jon

Sun 14th Apr 2013 14:03

Great stuff Katy...says a lot without saying too much!

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Pete Slater

Sun 14th Apr 2013 12:45

Hi MC
Thank you once again for your advice and kind words. Much appreciated. Just glad you enjoyed reading.
Pete The Bus Driving Poet.

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Tommy Carroll

Sun 14th Apr 2013 03:52

do you mean this contribution?

I hope she became aware of her dying
I hope she became aware of her senility
I hope she died in pain
I hope she died in fear

Liverpool fans chanting When Maggie Thatcher Dies v Sunderland
http://youtu.be/37Cmzvt549Y

Liverpool fans pre-match away at Wigan 2013 Thatcher song
http://youtu.be/NtwavcblPzo

I hope she became aware of her dying
I hope she became aware of her senility
I hope she died in pain
I hope she died in fear

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Ged Thompson

Sun 14th Apr 2013 00:06

Thanks very much boys, I'm made up with these comments (-:

Have adjusted on your guidance Chris, think its better now

Would love to see Laura's poem?

Have we got a link to it?

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Mike Hilton

Sat 13th Apr 2013 18:18

Cheers for your comments John.

I wrote it quickly and just put it down as I felt it.
I've not done it that way before and don't know if it's 'poetry correct '.
Mike

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Cynthia Buell Thomas

Sat 13th Apr 2013 17:05

Good one, Michael - strong, brutally honest and well-structured. Gripped immediately, the reader follows you through the conversational dialogue and emotional actions. The repetition plays well to underscore the despair of the brief encounter.

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