Thanks guys. No idea what it will be maybe but I'm uneasy if not queasy. It's an interesting building, David, and almost like a Café Royal atmosphere - but I dare say it will be ripped out and themed. Where did we go wrong? We've not tried the Brasserie yet. Thanks for the advice though.
Comment is about LAMENT FOR CAFE ROUGE (blog)
Original item by ray pool
Very clever idea to put poetry in its place and at the same time display a mastery of the art of it ! I would agree that as with photography I believe, sometimes an experience in the raw can be experimented with in a self indulgent way. But wot the hell, it ain't rocket science - or is it? The log man.
very impressive.
Comment is about Dominant Scrawling (blog)
Original item by Laura Taylor
cc semen
me me mewing
more boar boring
ceaseless spewing
that is fabulous.
and i agree completely.
Comment is about Dominant Scrawling (blog)
Original item by Laura Taylor
Hahaha, I would like to say I practice a peaceful lifestyle where I help others if possible, and so I believe that we will all find our way eventually. We all make mistakes, it's only human, it's the only way we learn and experience life. :)
Comment is about Before you fall apart. (blog)
Original item by Eric Berard
Always a great philosophy to put into words.
Comment is about Here... (blog)
Original item by Amanda
Very interesting - very. Full of references I'm only guessing at, but still being influenced by. What's a 'querty'?
Comment is about Dominant Scrawling (blog)
Original item by Laura Taylor
Very funny - love the play on 'up' . Spears a strong point too.
Comment is about An ape's bald butts (blog)
Original item by Alem Hailu G/Kristos
After the experience of the Lord Protector Cromwell -
perhaps upset by the killjoys who held sway under his
tenure, the English (well, it was certainly them in the
ascendancy) decided enough was enough of the brush
with republicanism and decided that things could now
get better, with a harsh lesson against "absolute power"
inflicted and still in reserve as a reminder. Whatever the
objections to royalty, sometimes individually, sometimes
as an institution, often one served to support and save
the other - with the collective wealth of experience -
e.g. our present monarch - and huge source of wisdom
and experience that our "here today/gone tomorrow"
politicians can draw upon when in government.
We can remind ourselves that they are usually very
glad of the opportunity and the ability to claim they
have consulted "Her Majesty" when it suits their
situation and public popularity.
There are many who have huge influence but are not
elected, just as there are many who have huge wealth
that might fall outside the term "earned". Our history
is littered with them. It is how they use either that
matters most.
Lord (or Lady) Protector today...anyone?
Comment is about VIVE LA REPUBLIQUE (blog)
Original item by John Coopey
Thanks, JC. She was a film actress who could always
be relied upon to display the female sex at its best.
I've just read how she upset Walt Disney by refusing to
let him wriggle out of a contract, to the extent that on
hearing her name he exclaimed "Bitch!" She would throw
her head back and laugh when hearing of this. Not one
to be messed with - on or off the screen. No quiet
woman, she!
Comment is about MAUREEN O'HARA (blog)
Original item by M.C. Newberry
Huw, a couple of comments.
Firstly, your point is about negotiation whereas Wendy's poem is about abuse of power by men whose notions of relationships are stuck in the 1970s.
Whilst I understand that you find fascinating, as an experienced negotiator, the question of when 'no' means something other than what it presents - along the lines of 'getting to yes', in Fisher and Ury's terms - that is not the context of Wendy's poem.
You will, as a skilled negotiator, recognise the term 'ellision', something that, unfortunately, you do here to slip from commenting on the context of Wendy's poem to the title, in order to make a non-contextual point.
Now, we don't mind ellision; it can be entertaining at times. However, the effect of your elision, in the specific context of Wendy’s poem - but not, I am sure, its intention - is to imply that when a woman says 'no' in a sexual context she might not mean it. The effect of which is to portray you as a rape denier. I don't think you are. I think you simply wanted to start a discussion about other contexts when 'no' is a negotiating position, and then you have warmed to your them. but the meaning of your communication is the response you get, not the response you thought you would get.
Most unfortunately, Graham compounds the solecism by his what could seem a laddish comment (but isn't), which you then exacerbate – I am sure unwittingly - by only quoting female examples of being persuaded to change no to yes. By doing so you appear to be reinforcing Graham’s tongue-in-cheek ‘accepted fact’.
The saddest notion you introduce here, for me, is to be discussing lovemaking in the context of negotiation, which reinforces the idea that it is a transaction. Perhaps that is the nub of the problem?
If I were Wendy, I would be pretty pissed off at how this discussion has overshadowed her piece of work. Wendy, thanks for putting your writing up on Write Out Loud. It might well have taken you a lot of courage to do so, so I am sorry if the discussion does not recognise that. I hope others will comment on the piece as a poem.
Now can we get back to helping each other out as poets and writers please? And could we perhaps offer something more supportive rather than continuing this tergervisation?
Comment is about No Means No (blog)
Original item by Wendy Higson
<Deleted User> (8659)
Tue 27th Oct 2015 15:11
tick tock look at my socks I take my shoes off to you Laura.
I keep coming back to it to read again and don't know why-except for the fact that I like it.
Comment is about Dominant Scrawling (blog)
Original item by Laura Taylor
cheers for the comments jim this happened on the way home one night and sat with me for about 30 years before i wrote this, glad you like it..dazzer
Comment is about Deansgate Bridge (audio) (blog)
Original item by dazzer
misunderstood
Tue 27th Oct 2015 15:06
would you lik me to say that I agree with you Huw Thomas well i don't .Your mind works very different to mine I don't need a book to look things up nor will I ever agree with anything you say .
Comment is about No Means No (blog)
Original item by Wendy Higson
Preeti Sinha
Tue 27th Oct 2015 13:59
Hello! Thanks for reading, kind comments and tge appreciation! How have you been
Comment is about Cynthia Buell Thomas (poet profile)
Original item by Cynthia Buell Thomas
No it doesn't, Huw, and you are still being disingenuous.
Comment is about No Means No (blog)
Original item by Wendy Higson
To Huw Thomas/ it seems you don't know women or men very well . Decent people know what no means it's only the the people who think they know every thing and think they know best that treat people with des respect .
Comment is about No Means No (blog)
Original item by Wendy Higson
Tue 27th Oct 2015 13:43
This is brilliant!
Reminds me of Allan Bennett. That descriptive style where the detail tells another story not verbalised but somehow heard at a deeper level.
Keep it up mate. Looking forward to seeing you perform soon.
Comment is about Deansgate Bridge (audio) (blog)
Original item by dazzer
Don't be disingenuous Huw.
My apologies to Wendy for these off-topic comments. You made a fine point.
Comment is about No Means No (blog)
Original item by Wendy Higson
I can hear you shouting this! How do you write stuff like this. Well done you. Love V3.
Comment is about Dominant Scrawling (blog)
Original item by Laura Taylor
The poem posted specifically refers to lust. This is a situation where no means no. If it is not taken seriously, and someone goes against those wishes, then it is rape and/or serious sexual assault. Not game playing. Not fun. Not a misunderstanding.
Please make your comments relevant to the poem, and leave out the sexism, the condescension, and the macho man-knows-best attitude, thank you.
Comment is about No Means No (blog)
Original item by Wendy Higson
Sorry WHAT?! 'Women play games'??? An accepted fact is it Huw? Finding your comments deeply offensive. Think you should re-examine them, immediately, beyond the tiny little corners of your life experience displayed here.
Comment is about No Means No (blog)
Original item by Wendy Higson
Huw, Huw!
............It's an accepted fact that when a woman says something it needs to analyzed to insure you get it right. No means yes, yes means possibly et cetera.............
I can see the deep water rising up to your chin!
Comment is about No Means No (blog)
Original item by Wendy Higson
Open-Plan: If only we knew eh? I bet there are a few Hendersons and Amys on WOL.
Look forward to your posts.
Graham
Comment is about Neil Elder (poet profile)
Original item by Neil Elder
Thank you. I often listen to music while writing so yes, it happens lol. It all just depends on the mood setting.
Comment is about Waking Up (blog)
Original item by Amanda
<Deleted User> (13762)
Mon 26th Oct 2015 23:47
I like the hip hop trippy feel to this and some of your other pieces - reminds me a bit of The Streets - especially the line 'it was supposed to be fate' or as they sang 'it was supposed to be so easy' - not a criticism btw - I use song rhythms all the time.
Comment is about Waking Up (blog)
Original item by Amanda
Lynn Hamilton
Mon 26th Oct 2015 19:36
Hi Cynthia
Thank you for your comments on By Proxy and taking the time to post my my profile. I think there was a technical issue as it was a 'read only' blog. x
Comment is about Cynthia Buell Thomas (poet profile)
Original item by Cynthia Buell Thomas
You made me look up "Mavourneen" MC.
Nice tribute.
Comment is about MAUREEN O'HARA (blog)
Original item by M.C. Newberry
This is really clever, and seriously funny.
Comment is about A Metaphysical Poet's Lament (blog)
Original item by Marnanel Thurman
I really enjoyed, do enjoy 'The Cucumber Plot'. It deserves many readings.
Comment is about Anna Ghislena (poet profile)
Original item by Anna Ghislena
I'm so glad it's up here, and enjoyed by others.
Comment is about Night fishing (blog)
Original item by Martin Elder
Yes! Sometimes it seems a bit jumbled, but then it roars out again like a caged tiger, and retreats, snarling, ready to spring. The theme is huge! Like a mediaeval play. And teased along masterfully, like a good performance.
Comment is about Dawn (blog)
Original item by Tom
I enjoyed this, the thoughtful content, and the pleasure of metre and rhyme.
Comment is about A Song For Autumn (blog)
Original item by Ian Gant
An excellent thumb-nail sketch of internet voyeurism, and its possible addiction. A modern topic very well constructed. I can understand 'boredom' as a motive, but 'anger' is something else again.
Comment is about Zen and the art of deletion (blog)
Love V1
What's opening up in its place, Starbucks?
Comment is about LAMENT FOR CAFE ROUGE (blog)
Original item by ray pool
steve mellor
Mon 26th Oct 2015 13:25
Hi Cynthia
Pleased you enjoyed 'Penalised'
I'm currently living in Scotland, and quickly have become tired of hearing Nicola Sturgeon whingeing about everything.
Penalised is a sort of follow-up to 'Nic' (2 poems back)
Reduced quantity of writing anything close to sensible dictates my reduction in post, but I hope you are fit and well, and maybe we'll bump into each other at some future event.
Comment is about Cynthia Buell Thomas (poet profile)
Original item by Cynthia Buell Thomas
Hi Stu. Talking of the Moonlight Sonata backwards I did perform The National Anthem backwards once in an old people's home . Slightly better version and nobody had to stand to attention!
Comment is about 11 (blog)
Original item by Stuart Buck
Thanks guys all - just a play on words - how versatile can a phrase be!
Comment is about PICKING UP THINGS (blog)
Original item by ray pool
weirdly enough i was reading 'the great event' in the book of longing yesterday. it contains one of my favourite lines in any poem (even though its a lyric i suppose).
'What a sigh of relief, as the senile robins become bright red again,'
just great!
(i assume you meant the cohen poem and not the beatles reference but either is acceptable!)
as for talented, its subjective!
have a great all hallows. im dressing my daughter up as a witch (we have a black kitten now) and sending her out for sweets while i watch the exorcist.
Comment is about Zach Dafoe (poet profile)
Original item by Zach Dafoe
thanks! any opportunity to send fellow poets tumbling is always a good thing! i woke up this morning and played moonlight sonata backwards...
Comment is about 11 (blog)
Original item by Stuart Buck
happy october
https://youtu.be/rIHFLrjzgbA
a season i can usually embrace more freely has sort of snuck up on me this year. home of thanksgiving, my birthdate, halloween, and sometimes two full moons.
just wanted to remind you that you're an extremely talented human being and that I'm excited to see you churning out so many entries.
Comment is about Stuart Buck (poet profile)
Original item by Stuart Buck
love letters are always hard to read
semi colon
love letters are always easy to read.
i agree with david. that roiling visceral feeling of too many things, all sprawling too widely, scrawling too quickly to read, and realizing how big it is, the panic of not knowing what to feel.
"and your eyes // told me he'd won"
Comment is about sandy (blog)
Original item by Stuart Buck
my favorites:
"We speak not // Of the debt //The dogma
The destruction of // Our beautiful wives"
just right right balance of alliterations, playing pauses for effect. and:
"Like flesh and form // Snuff boxed silhouette
Black crow dreamscapes //
We daren’t speak//
Of little boy blue"
sends me fucking tumbling.
Comment is about 11 (blog)
Original item by Stuart Buck
I cannot defend any reason why we go to war especially sending young men to death in Argentina, Margaret Thatcher had a lot to answer for the destruction and condition she left this country in the same as Cameron is doing at the moment, however on the face of it just one question - if we had the same choice to face again would we go in to the Falklands and do the same again? Of course we would. The bad state of war is sadly an ultimate draw.
Comment is about Tracey Currall (poet profile)
Original item by Tracey Currall
I do not know the place however your poem took me there, the best poem I have read for a long time
Well done
Comment is about A MINER'S RETURN HOME (blog)
Original item by ray pool
Ha ha glad you see the humour, he prefers whiskas Huw
Comment is about Howling at the moon (blog)
Original item by PatricioLG
<Deleted User> (8659)
Sun 25th Oct 2015 18:26
Ha-I didn't see that coming. Good one.
Comment is about PICKING UP THINGS (blog)
Original item by ray pool
Ian Whiteley
Tue 27th Oct 2015 20:03
MC - I think you may have fallen into the trap that one or two others did about 'We Are The Dead'. It wasn't written about me and it wasn't looking for a reaction - it was written about a friend who passed away recently - and I felt he hadn't fulfilled his amazing talents as a musician, partly because he let those other things take over his life. Thanks for commenting
Ian
Comment is about M.C. Newberry (poet profile)
Original item by M.C. Newberry