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garside

Tue 7th Dec 2010 10:57

aye...

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Cynthia Buell Thomas

Tue 7th Dec 2010 10:37

Wow, this looks great on page too. It's really mod now. Lots of others on WOL should love this minimalist version. I hope they get to it. Don't be bothered if they don't; the shelf-life is pretty short for attention. 'No comments' doesn't mean it's not terrific.

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Cynthia Buell Thomas

Tue 7th Dec 2010 10:30

One of my mostest favourite poems ever: as a child, I used to read it out loud just for Joy; definitely one of those that influenced my eye for beauty and increased my appreciation of the power of words, and effective repetition. Do I remember something about 'the silver paws of the dog'?

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winston plowes

Tue 7th Dec 2010 10:23

Hi Isobel, Yes, have a go at a ghazal. Great. Actually for once I am not laying down a challenge. It has taken me months to getting round to posting up some information on how to write ghazals. Mainly because there is no simple answer via a template as in other forms. But people keep asking so I have finally done it. lol. Nice to think though that my posting of a few ghazals has sparked something. Win X

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Cynthia Buell Thomas

Tue 7th Dec 2010 10:21

This is lyrical, full of rhythm, musical and vivid with enchanting images created by superb diction. I find the last two lines awkward: if the subject is 'Nature' then 'Leaves' would be matched by 'passes'; if the subject is a play on 'Leaves' then 'Nature kept her determined way' needs punctuation. Am I whistling in the wind? I didn't know that 'dolly pegs' were still available, except maybe in craftware.

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winston plowes

Tue 7th Dec 2010 10:19

Hi Ann

As for criteria 4) Rhyme.

The Qafia DIRECTLY preceeds the Radif on the second line of each Sher and not at the end of the first line as in your ghazal, ghazal - Fibonacci swirl.

If you look at Agha Shahid Ali's book I think all but one of his ghazals show this.

Also Re Criteria 1)Title.

This presents us with a problem. How do we talk about and refer to each others work when they are all just called 'Ghazal'. Well, the standard method is to refer to Ghazal (Radif), so my example above would be my Ghazal (the day). And your last offering could be Ghazal (Fibonacci swirl)

Win X


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winston plowes

Tue 7th Dec 2010 10:11

Hi John,

An answer re Criteria 6)

The ghazal is suposed to be spoken (or sung)personaly and from the heart, hence the inclusion of the signature or takkhalus.

Traditionally most poets have used either their real name or equally common a pen name as in the cleaver maqta of Ann -

In burning brackengold the fox lies sleeping
My man is dead, all men are as snow for me.

So you can choose what you like and remain anonymous if you wish and as euphonious as you wish.

Other ideas - Poets, more recently have used the meaning of their name. Or as you say made a reference using 'I' or 'me' however since ghazals are often writen in the first person this is somewhat weak. I have used other alternatives, e.g.

Barefoot steps linger
in the wet sand, soft.

where the footsteps suggest a signature. Overall however the name or pen name is prefered.

As to Troilets, I think this reply is sanitorial enough.

Win x

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Ann Foxglove

Tue 7th Dec 2010 08:28

This has a lovely haunting clarity. I hope it will be part of a longer poem, though it stands well as it is IMO.

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shoeless

Tue 7th Dec 2010 08:20

for the first time ever in my writing, this feels like it might only be part of a bigger poem

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John Aikman

Tue 7th Dec 2010 08:14

What a fab idea! Ghazalicious.

:-)

Jx

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Andy N

Tue 7th Dec 2010 08:02

impressive stuff, rachel.. i always like reading poems that are as deep as this, and this is a piece that made me think...

i particularly like 'Kisses blown by ladybirds and dragonflies

hovering in suspended thermal streams.'

but top stuff.. x

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Steven Kenny

Tue 7th Dec 2010 01:09

Thanks to you both :-)

I fiddled with it again and removed the last line and I agree that it works better like this! Thanks for the suggestions, always greatly appreciated! :-)

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Mon 6th Dec 2010 22:31

thanks for the comment Cynthia

Mormon was more of a response to the anti-gay sentiment expressed by the mormon church. They actively raised funds to vote yes on Prop 8 in Cali and wouldn't allow blacks to join their congregation this the late 70s. I hear from Wikileaks that they also funded christian terrorists in Iran. Sounds pretty violent to me.

In the nativity piece, Joseph slurs his words because he is drunk. He has always struck me as a very forgotten character. He didn't impregnate Mary and Jesus told him he wasn't his father. I think that would be enough to turn any man to drink.

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Mon 6th Dec 2010 22:09

Och, that's no way to talk o' Isobel noo - specially t'bit aboot her drawers...

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Francine

Mon 6th Dec 2010 21:38

I love your new profile photo, Isobel!
You look so happy, vibrant, AND totally approachable!

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Rachael Dunn

Mon 6th Dec 2010 21:24

thanks for your feedback Cynthia, ive made the changes, yep I agree with you its gives it more strength...thankyou for that...I was trying to be creative with the shape of the text to create a moving image...hope it makes sense :)

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Cynthia Buell Thomas

Mon 6th Dec 2010 20:47

Poor abused wonderful word. At least 'shit' is bisexual and doesn't target women.

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Mon 6th Dec 2010 20:42

this is lovely :o)

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Joy France

Mon 6th Dec 2010 20:32

Beautiful! Just beautiful.

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Cynthia Buell Thomas

Mon 6th Dec 2010 20:26

This is terrific. Glad to know your God 'idea' is a woman! I do need more readings to appreciate greater depth and craftsmanship, but my 'reception' is one of fulsome allusions that I need to forage through for myself. Outstanding images among many; 'catseye sky', 'selling chlorophyll for colour', 'the burned books of the past' etc.

Sorry I missed 'autumn evening journey'.

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shoeless

Mon 6th Dec 2010 20:24

smile

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Cynthia Buell Thomas

Mon 6th Dec 2010 19:56

I really like this, Rachael. It's punchy with some very clever diction making metaphor after metaphor but cleverly connected. IMO, it is a type of poem that would fly best without punctuation and in lower case font throughout. I would take out several short words that impede the strength of the images: 'speeding like', 'spilling from'; also 'Now it's...' and go straight for 'a vacuous hole'. I recited it twice aloud with these omissions and felt it was more impactive. But, that's me. I need help with the last two lines, if you're willing. I honestly don't 'get' the connection.

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Isobel

Mon 6th Dec 2010 18:59

Love the title, the last line and the ideas in this. Am I the only one to feel a bit depressed by the vastness of space? Perhaps that's because I'm a cancerian - I need the cosiness of a shell. The vastness makes me scared. :)
Glad to see you have started to enjoy WOL.

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Ann Foxglove

Mon 6th Dec 2010 18:57

Hi Win - just posted another ghazal - didn't come as naturally or mean as much as the first one, but I did try and rhyme! xx

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Ann Foxglove

Mon 6th Dec 2010 18:43

Wow! Vertigo - possibly my fave film.

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Mon 6th Dec 2010 18:02

Thanks for your comment on
'Dilute to Taste.' I have also enjoyed a time reading your work..wonderful writing Marianne..

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Mon 6th Dec 2010 14:56

hi again Berny-not wanting to knock any help that the individual thinks can help from other sources-but whenever poss,the help you can apply to yourself in overcoming the prob is worth a million doctors and tablets etc-never had full blown dep-that I can only guess at being horrific-but I get bouts of of grumpiness-mostly after I,ve looked in the mirror! thank heaven you are like me in one way-we have the littles to keep us cheerful-and!-dutiful(was gonna say beautiful but the mirror would,nt agree-in my case)thinking of you-Stef-xx

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Mon 6th Dec 2010 14:44

put it this way chuck-when you smile-yer can bet yer bottom(dollar that is)so do I!SW-xx

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Freda Davis

Mon 6th Dec 2010 14:33

Ha, I saw it. I will be late to the Puzzle tonight as I am going to a cuts meeting. Jackie has postponed till friendlier weather so lots of Open Mic

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David Franks

Mon 6th Dec 2010 14:31

Just enjoyed your verses, Larisa.

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Chris Co

Mon 6th Dec 2010 14:19

even paint the harmony of your day....I like that.

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Marianne Louise Daniels

Mon 6th Dec 2010 14:12

beautiful.

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winston plowes

Mon 6th Dec 2010 13:40

There is a new discussion topic on ghazals which may interest you, I remember you asking for a template ages ago, well it's finally here! :-) Win

http://www.writeoutloud.net/public/newsgroupview.php?NewsGroupsID=3&NewsThreadsID=1127#msgcontent_11384

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Greg Freeman

Mon 6th Dec 2010 13:08

Good luck with more ghazals, Ann: it'll be hard work topping the last one! Not sure I'll have time for any in the next few weeks. Got to sort out my aged mum's next, maybe final port of call along the staging posts of life.

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Steven Kenny

Mon 6th Dec 2010 13:00

Hi Bernadette,

Nice work on this one! It really resonated with me as I suffer from depression too and most of my poetry is tainted with the intensity of it.

It's always helpful to one's soul to see that someone else understands how it feels. Thank-you and well done!

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Chris Co

Mon 6th Dec 2010 12:29

Thx for the feedback on the England poem Jeff- appreciated.

Chris

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winston plowes

Mon 6th Dec 2010 11:17

There is a new discussion topic on ghazals which may interest you :-) Win

http://www.writeoutloud.net/public/newsgroupview.php?NewsGroupsID=3&NewsThreadsID=1127#msgcontent_11384

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winston plowes

Mon 6th Dec 2010 11:16

There is a new discussion topic on ghazals which may interest you, I remember you asking for a template ages ago, well it's finally here! :-) Win

http://www.writeoutloud.net/public/newsgroupview.php?NewsGroupsID=3&NewsThreadsID=1127#msgcontent_11384

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winston plowes

Mon 6th Dec 2010 11:14

There is a new discussion topic on ghazals which may interest you :-) Win

http://www.writeoutloud.net/public/newsgroupview.php?NewsGroupsID=3&NewsThreadsID=1127#msgcontent_11384

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winston plowes

Mon 6th Dec 2010 11:13

There is a new discussion topic on ghazals which may interest you :-) Win

http://www.writeoutloud.net/public/newsgroupview.php?NewsGroupsID=3&NewsThreadsID=1127#msgcontent_11384

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winston plowes

Mon 6th Dec 2010 11:13

There is a new discussion topic on ghazals which may interest you :-) Win

http://www.writeoutloud.net/public/newsgroupview.php?NewsGroupsID=3&NewsThreadsID=1127#msgcontent_11384

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winston plowes

Mon 6th Dec 2010 11:12

There is a new discussion topic on ghazals which may interest you :-) Win

http://www.writeoutloud.net/public/newsgroupview.php?NewsGroupsID=3&NewsThreadsID=1127#msgcontent_11384

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Dave Bradley

Mon 6th Dec 2010 10:24

Hi Bernadette.

Well done for having the courage to say all this and say it so well. Gemma Lees has written some good mental health poems
http://www.writeoutloud.net/public/blogentry.php?blogentryid=10266

http://www.writeoutloud.net/public/blogentry.php?blogentryid=6954

You might also like one of mine
http://www.writeoutloud.net/public/blogentry.php?blogentryid=17174

Good luck! Hang in.

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Mon 6th Dec 2010 08:05

hello there Freda..I did like your compact write and agree with what Isobel says..I also rather like the old say beauty is in the eye of the beholder because then we can hedge our bets!!..

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Mon 6th Dec 2010 07:26

I really like this John, evocative and accurate! This is a subject close to my heart, too. I can hear the shouts for Saint Eadmund!!!

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John Coopey

Sun 5th Dec 2010 23:50

Thanks for your thoughts on One Anglaland. A few specialist references, but my favourite is "blood-eagling" - an old Viking party game.

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Greg Freeman

Sun 5th Dec 2010 23:40

Terrific one, John. Steeped in knowledge and history: "the stench and the smoke" and the priest "alive on his cross".

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winston plowes

Sun 5th Dec 2010 23:09

I am glad you have seen it John, me too, What a brilliant thing / place. Win x

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John Aikman

Sun 5th Dec 2010 23:07

I've seen that fountain!

:-)

Jx

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