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Andy N

Sun 7th Feb 2010 12:32

good stuff, cynthia.. really enjoyed this.. seemed a bit different to some of your other stuff i have read.. keep it going

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Andy N

Sun 7th Feb 2010 12:16

simple and beauitful, jeff.. you are a romantic at heart i think! lol

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Graham Sherwood

Sun 7th Feb 2010 12:01

Wonderful idea here Kathryn. The only bit I didn't like was the question "can you take it". Otherwise really strong words.

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Graham Sherwood

Sun 7th Feb 2010 11:57

Cynthia, I'm having trouble with the alliteration. The only one that works for me is in verse two (bloody blinding black). Unfortunately the others don't add up for me, and why repeat "children of despair" and miss an opportunity for additional imagery?

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David Cooke

Sun 7th Feb 2010 11:55

Hi again Cate It just means I'm very grateful for your kindness and am very glad you like the poetry. It seems to get a bit busy here on a Sunday morning and I'm supposed to be working!

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Graham Sherwood

Sun 7th Feb 2010 11:50

Ann I love this piece and especially as Rachel says the middle verse. I do have one small piece of criticism though. I think the last two lines are superfluous, and the repetition of name, voice and face is too close. Lovely work.

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Cate Greenlees

Sun 7th Feb 2010 11:27

Well I got as far as "1 am grateful with you he said to her" with a gaelic translator , then gave up as a bad job cos it was taking too long... Got the gyst though! Cheers!
Cate xx

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David Cooke

Sun 7th Feb 2010 11:19

Hi again I'm actually procrastinating myself. I earn my living these days by selling books on Amazon and am supposed to be listing a load of old stock to make space, but it's very easy to get distracted on the internet, especially when you get feedback on poems! Have a relaxing day. I really must get down to it now. Man cannot live on poetry alone.

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Rachel McGladdery

Sun 7th Feb 2010 11:18

Hi Cate, thanks for the feedback on 'For You' glad it struck a chord,
Rach
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Rachel McGladdery

Sun 7th Feb 2010 11:17

Hi Emma, thank you for the comment on 'For You', really glad you enjoyed it,
Rachel
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Rachel McGladdery

Sun 7th Feb 2010 11:11

Lol,this is my version of reading the sunday papers, on my second cup of tea , valiantly ignoring the mess surrounding me(it's a talent)
Rachel
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David Cooke

Sun 7th Feb 2010 11:08

Hi Rachel That was quick! I only posted it a minute ago.

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Rachel McGladdery

Sun 7th Feb 2010 10:59

I was actually just lurking this morning but logged in to comment on this, the line 'for there is nothing more to say/and all is dust' is totally perfect.... wish I had the critical tools and brain to know why, but it just is.
What a lovely poem. I think that stanza actually stands on it's own as a poem.
Loved this.
Rach
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David Cooke

Sun 7th Feb 2010 10:56

Haigh a Chait!
Ta me an-bhuioch leat ar do chinealtas agus ta athas oram go bhuil suim agat ar mo fhiliocht! There's a bit of Irish for you. I hope I've got it more or less right! Just thanking you for the kind comments and glad you liked the poems.

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David Cooke

Sun 7th Feb 2010 09:14

Hi Cate Thanks for leaving feedback on the poems. I like your own Sunflowers very much. JUst been to a funeral myself recently that was very tense.

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Sat 6th Feb 2010 22:03

Well written!!!! liked this very much! xx

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Emma Robinson

Sat 6th Feb 2010 20:47

I really enjoyed this one Rachel, have recently become a mum myself and made me think about making the most of the time when she's littl. I really liked the ideas of this one, the wildness has to be tamed when you grow up- ace! :)

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Cate Greenlees

Sat 6th Feb 2010 20:41

Hi Anne, I agree with TC...there is a very sad lonely feel to this but life continues and as you say your tides are racing on. Maybe some day you will feel strong enough to visit the lighthouse again and remember the good memories it evokes.
Cate xx

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Cate Greenlees

Sat 6th Feb 2010 20:32

Lovely! I was one of the lucky ones... my daughter never got embarrased thoughout her teens when I showed affection in public, maybe because she grew up without a father. Although there does come a time when you have to stand aside and let someone else become the main person in your childs life. Thats hard.
Cate xx

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Cate Greenlees

Sat 6th Feb 2010 20:26

Hi Dave,I agree with Deb, theres something fascinating about old headstones in a churchyard. In very old Norman churches they can be hundreds of years old... Ive often wondered about who the people were buried there, and what they died of. I suppose its quite comforting to think someone in hundreds of years time will wonder about us. In our churchyard whole families are buried together and Id like that for me too... I like the thought of eternity with everyone I loved with me. Very thought provoking.
Cate xx

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Cate Greenlees

Sat 6th Feb 2010 20:11

Ahh.... luv it!! My two little grandchildren are lovely too. They are both adorable little muppets who know perfectly well how to rend my heartstrings!!
Cate xx

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Cate Greenlees

Sat 6th Feb 2010 20:05

Oooo I like it! Glad Im not an estate agent though! Its a shite job but I guess someones gotta do it and the vendor could always say no!
Cate xx

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Cate Greenlees

Sat 6th Feb 2010 19:38

I like this Anne. I wrote a poem called Sunflowers some time back which has the same resonance as this.
Ive left all my instructions to my family for when the great day comes... I want a good send off with lots of flowers and music and loads a weeping and wailing!!!!
Cate xx

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Cate Greenlees

Sat 6th Feb 2010 19:35

I agree. Clever use of alliteration and technique without detracting from the despair of the subject matter. Its so easy to look at our children well fed and with hope, and forget that other children are not so fortunate. A timely reminder of what it would be like to give birth in such a country.
Cate xx

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winston plowes

Sat 6th Feb 2010 17:38

Hi Gus. I think you have captured the moment very effectively here. Not the obvious moments of making love but the more elusive moments soon afterwards. Great ending great stuff. Thx Win

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Francine

Sat 6th Feb 2010 17:01

Tu me fais rire!
D'accord... Tu m'analyses et je t'analyse ; )

xxx

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Isobel

Sat 6th Feb 2010 17:00

Subtly sad. Like the repetition in the middle - 'They like it they do. They do.'

Trying to fit in - we sometimes go to ridiculous extremes.

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Isobel

Sat 6th Feb 2010 16:48

I like this one Cynthia. Some great imagery in here. 'slimy solid passing, waxen withered wail' having some resonance with me. On the whole a sad poem - so many are born unwanted and in and out of despair. Your last stanza is a bit like the bottom of Pandora's box - beautifully conceived and executed.

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Francine

Sat 6th Feb 2010 16:47

No it is not - LOL
Have only discussed it with someone once before...
It was fascinating to think about, what it - The Eiffel Tower - represents,
and my obsession with it... ; )

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Isobel

Sat 6th Feb 2010 16:40

Well Francine - from where I'm standing you're looking very phallic - I bet that's not something people say to you very often...

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Francine

Sat 6th Feb 2010 16:37

Forever the optimist Isobel...
I like your take on this:

'OPTIMIST : Large erection comes in the nick of time. Turns thirsty bird upside down, brings tears to her eyes, transports her to a place she's never been before...'
: )

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Cynthia Buell Thomas

Sat 6th Feb 2010 15:45

As I do also - love your work. 'marinating the hair with savoury sky' is a humdinger.

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Francine

Sat 6th Feb 2010 15:30

I have always been fascinated with lighthouses, and what they represent. This is such a touching poem Ann.
I agree with what TC wrote as well...

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Cynthia Buell Thomas

Sat 6th Feb 2010 14:58

Ditto with the compliments and anecdotes. I'm finished with cheap toasters - have to get a new one on Monday. That's three in two years -I get your point.

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Ann Foxglove

Sat 6th Feb 2010 14:57

How beautiful.

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Greg Freeman

Sat 6th Feb 2010 14:23

Hi Ann, I understand entirely why you don't want to change Wolf Rock and feel a bit bad now at suggesting you tinker with it. Anyway, it is a marvellous poem and wonderful title, and has inspired me to think about a part of the world where I spent many childhood holidays. I can hear the waves against the side of the rock. Greg x

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DG

Sat 6th Feb 2010 14:13

Thanks all. I think I've figured out why it has that pretty thing about it: when wrote this, I was reminiscing on delivering christmas hampers and presents to deprived families for a local charity.
I'd strongly recommend getting involved - not in a streets of london sort of "my life's rubbish... oh I stand corrected: life in general is miserable and unfair therefore I've cheered up now" sort of a way, but more for the interaction with the families you're helping - you can't help but smile when the little ones are telling you how excited they are about christmas.

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Ann Foxglove

Sat 6th Feb 2010 13:51

Hi Greg - re Wolf Rock, thanx for commenting. There were meant to be line spacings at various places but they wouldn't come up when I pasted the poem. I did try and gave up! As to the suggested ending, you may be right. I feel that the very last line works for me though, and makes the poem. I guess when the story is a real one, i.e. I couldn't go there again because of memories, it means more to the writer, and when it's so personal it is hard to edit. xx

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Ann Foxglove

Sat 6th Feb 2010 13:50

Hi Greg - re Wolf Rock, thanx for commenting. There were meant to be line spacings at various places but they wouldn't come up when I pasted the poem. I did try and gave up! As to the suggested ending, you may be right. I feel that the very last line works for me though, and makes the poem. I guess when the story is a real one, i.e. I couldn't go there again because of memories, it means more to the writer, and when it's so personal it is hard to edit. xx

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Deborah Jordan Bailey

Sat 6th Feb 2010 12:25

Hi David, it's probably the same site I have saved from where I send an Occitan-speaking friend poetry..shhh don't tell him where it is.. Someone said somewhere that using the internet for research is like trying to take a sip of water from a fire hydrant..hmmm don't drown out there..We used to sing Scots Gaelic songs at school but much to my frustration,not much stuck. I am very interested in the Romani language too and always interested to find words cropping up in dialect which can be traced back to Romani.I am no expert in it at all, just interested. I wonder if anglo-romanes cant is a dying or a growing language? the word chav for instance,comes from the Romani word for child; chavi,but has come to be an insulting term. Shame when words and their original meanings become polluted but I guess that has a long history.
Better stop now, thanks for re-awakening my interest in this subject..via Rachel's lovely poem as well, Debzx

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Christopher Dawson

Sat 6th Feb 2010 11:26

cheers Janet.

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David Cooke

Sat 6th Feb 2010 11:05

Hi again Greg Thanks for posting comments on Bird and Miles. If you like Miles there's some amazing footage on Youtube of Miles Davis circa 1960 with Coltrane playing SO What? (Typically arrogant Miles) Anyway it's just about the coolest music footage I've ever see. You should check it out. Yes I like Dance On because it's well crafted. I like stuff that has been slowly licked into shape. It doesn't really matter how many you get out. If you work out the average in a lot of poetry books often there's only 5 or 6 a year from people like Heaney. I'd rather read one of his than dozens by a lot of other people! BY the way I nearly missed your last comments because the WOL message went into my SPAM. THe only one that has so far.

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Greg Freeman

Sat 6th Feb 2010 10:06

Ann, having had another look at Wolf Rock, and having heard you read it as well, I wonder if you might consider ending it a few lines earlier, at "was I always the sea?" Or, if not, perhaps leave a line space between that line and the rest of the poem? Curse me for meddling if you will! Greg

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David Cooke

Sat 6th Feb 2010 09:46

Hi Rachel Thanks for the comments on my own langauge poems. I only posted them after reading your poem Dead Language. My two in turn have lead to an interesting response from Deborah which pointed me in the direction of some interesting Occitan poetry - so wheels within wheels! I noticed this morning that the death of the Bo language is the lead story on Yahoo.

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Greg Freeman

Sat 6th Feb 2010 09:44

David, thanks for looking at my poems. Very heartened that you enjoyed Dance On. Only wish I could turn out more like that one! I particularly admire your Charlie Parker and Miles Davis. As I've said before, I've very interested in trying to capture the essence of inspirational, mood-changing music in words. Charlie and Miles are great examples to try and match. Greg

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Isobel

Sat 6th Feb 2010 09:25

I've ummed and aaarhed for a while about whether to volunteer my thoughts on these photos. Finally decided that if Paul Blackburn can use 'cunt' on a WOL thread, then I should tentatively offer my analysis.

Sorry to interrupt the rythm of your story boys....but this series of photos clearly has a sexual connection that Freud would have had a field day with. How you interpret them depends on whether you are an optimist or a pessimist...

PESSIMIST - Large erection comes before the 11th hour. Leaving neglected bird, turned upside down, tearful and plunged into the darkest depths of despair....

OPTIMIST : Large erection comes in the nick of time. Turns thirsty bird upside down, brings tears to her eyes, transports her to a place she's never been before...

Obvious innit?

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Sat 6th Feb 2010 05:44

For me this evoked feelings of sadness, especially with the allegorical reference, and allusion made to an eternity spent in solitude. A moving poem with pathos. Luv TC X

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kath hewitt

Sat 6th Feb 2010 01:37

Just spotted your comment on Dead Wasp, thank you.
Also, reading poetry? Aloud? In public? Me? noooo not going to happen lol

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Graham Sherwood

Fri 5th Feb 2010 22:28

Good to see you here on WOL Liv.

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Greg Freeman

Fri 5th Feb 2010 22:06

Interesting to read up about Wolf Rock, Ann, that it is built upon a steeple of rock. The one I know is the Bishop Rock lighthouse, at the far end of the Isles of Scilly. Went on a boat trip there as a boy. Saw lots of seals, but what got me was gazing at that empty ocean and realising that the next stop was America. Greg

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